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Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by NewRoxFan, Nov 25, 2018.

  1. DaDakota

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    Well the heat gets hotter on Putin every day they are there, already had one Coup attempt.......as I said it just depends on the USA's strategy.

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    None of this **** makes any damn difference. UK already gave them long range missles months ago. The new drones that theyve been manufacturing have the same distance that ATACMS. Its all a bunch of bullshit to keep US interest.

    Russia has hundreds and hundreds of SU35s yet they havnt been able to establish air superiority because of surface to air systems. The idea that if we just give Ukraine f16s somehow they'll have air superiority is just utter copium at another level. If russia wasnt able to establish air superiority what the hell tells you UKR will be able to when Russian surface to air systems are better than what UKR currently has?

    Theres no magical weapon system that will defeat the Russians. The best method for defeating the russians would've been zelensky mining the battlefield before the war instead of bashing biden and calling him a war monger.

    Best thing moving forward is to give UKR security assurances that will enable them to keep their land long term.
     
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    I agree with you!

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    All these F35 memes could've been prevented with an Apple Tag.

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    And you are merely basing everything off speculation.... like why would Putin or Zelensky agree to a cease fire that wouldn't favor one of them? How would that work out, where they both agree to something?

    Like @rocketsjudoka said, it's a multilayered approach with many moving parts and it's not as simple as Biden unilaterally declaring this and that. It's 9/19/23, there's still time.
     
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    Yes. Trump’s rhetoric is simplistic and unrealistic. He can’t end the war in one day as the same conditions apply. Trump can make things lot nicer for Putin by ending aid to Ukraine and making things diplomatically easier for Russia. Lee in mind because Ukrainian aid is congressionally mandated Trump can’t just unilaterally end aid nor can he unilaterally pull the US out of NATO as the NATO treaty was congressionally ratified and has force of law. What he can do is slow walk aid like what got him impeached the first time and he can limit US cooperation with NATO and abdicate Us leadership.

    Just because Trump’s rhetoric is simplistic, unrealistic and frankly dangerous doesn’t mean Biden should follow it. That many Americans like it doesn’t mean it’s a good idea then for Biden to do things like trying to force an end to the war by withholding aid. There is little certainty that will end the war and also smacks of desperation on the part of Biden. My own feeling is rather than make Biden’s re-election easier it will make it harder as those who don’t support him still won’t and this will undercut and sow chaos among many of those who do currently support him.
     
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    Why would zelensky agree to a ceasefire? Are you not reading anything that Trump is saying. You folks are living in another planet @rocketsjudoka with all due respect. Americans dont care about the UKR war more than they do about energy prices and if you cant tell from polling then you need to go do more research.

    If trump wins Zelensky will be dead within a week. Instead ask yourself why any half politician in zelsnkys shoes wouldnt take a ceasefire knowing the alternative. You claiming Putin doesnt want a ceasefire but theres no evidence of that. RU is desperately in need of sanction relief and all reporting shows their army is in awful awful shape
     
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    If it was up to you we would be supporting ukraine for the next 100 years while we pay 5 dollar gas here forever. Your mindset is the quickest way for right wing governments to take control all of europe. This idea that "facism" is going win if we push a peace plan is so utterly dumb.

    You also have no idea how Congress works. If trump wins he will control both chambers of congress. If you think a House speaker is going to bring up ukraine aid when Trump is against it then youre literally living in another universe. Congressional bills can only be brought with the permission of the speaker.

    The new right wing government in Poland literally campaigned on bringing down inflation and now one of their priorities is listing all LGBTQ people on a list for surveillance. Wonderful thing that their still "pro ukraine" right.

    Or people are finally using their brains to realize that this war isnt ending anytime soon and the greatest danger to the world is Trump not Putin. Ukraine counter offensive has been slow and not living up to what the west planned and the idea that americans are going happily pay 4 dollar gas for another 5 years to fund UKR is utter delusion. Folks are living in lala land until Trump wins and throws zelensky to putin within hours.
     
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    Until the Russian MOD hacks the DOD's Apple account. Anybody want to bet the DOD's password is like the DOB of the USA or Ronald Reagan's SSN or something?
     
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    zelensky is demanding Trump release his peace plan LOL. He has no idea what the hell he's dealing with. He has no idea who Trump is or what he's dealing with. He still doesn't get it that if Trump wins he'll most likely be dead within a month.

    Zelensky is demanding that he would never accept Trumps terms and would would ask for Lindsey Graham and others for assistance. This guy thinks Lindsey Graham will choose him over Trump.

    You can love zelensky but he's a God awful diplomat and has no idea what he's doing at times.
     
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