PE.com: Payton prefers Houston, Minnesota or the Clippers

Hell yes, Payton would be sick, he wants to win and would deliver the ball into Ming.

 

CHEMISTRY PEOPLE CHEMISTRY.

Payton could not blend in with Shaq and Kobe, what makes you think he would blend in here?

No to Payton.

DD

 

Well, I HATE Payton and don't like the idea of him on the team. But, it would be for only one season because of his contract, and if they would throw in Banks into the deal, since they were originally giving him away to LA, then I would be all over it.

Payton for whatever
Banks for Lue

 

GP + TMac + Malone + Yao

The New Fantastic Four?

 

He could not blend in with the triangle offense. I'm not sure his post game could blend with Houston, but I think last year can be neglected as a fish out of water year.

 

I hate to say it, but I'd take Payton too. He knows he ain't gonna be the focus in Houston but he still wants to come? Bring it.

I see no downside to making this happen. In the end, it'll be neutral or it'll a benefit. But where is the risk?

Who cares if he's old, Sura/Ward were our projected starters anyway. Bring Payton, if he proves too old, revert back to Plan A. The only possible downside is the so-called 'locker room' affect. Whatever.

He won't go to the Pups cause they already have Cassel and a freshly signed Hudson off the bench.

He won't want to go to the Warriors cause he's got no chance of winning (compared to Houston).

Houston would actually be a perfect fit. And under JVG, Payton would probably do well. With a motivated and productive Payton, the Rockets would be serious contenders on day 1 (if everything gels, big if though).

 

I don't have a strong opinion either way, but why is everyone so quick to forget that Payton and Derrick Fisher got lit up by every PG they faced in the playoffs? Francis had a mediocre season and lit them up, Tony Parker forced Phil Jackson to change his entire defensive scheme and Chauncey Billups was in the running for Finals MVP.

IMO, if you objectively look at the whole scenario...age, outspokeness, diminishing skills...there are just too many negatives and not enough positives.

As far as Payton mentioning Houston, it's a knee jerk reaction to being trading. Payton was pretty quick to forget that his best skills weren't utilized in the triangle...but it didn't stop him from signing in LA. IOW, just because he thinks he's a good fit here doesn't make it so.

 

Didn't Pistons toss the on-paper idea, or was that the Lakes?

I'm squarely in the no-love-for-Glove column, but -- if the deal were sweetened I could be tempted.

Include Mo and Lue and Raef and Banks, and I start to get interested. Balance $s with Spoon. Now Payton starts to have a place.

What if it meant 'having' to add Karla? Swallow that idea, fellow Rox fans/Malone haters...

 

I just have never liked the guy. He causes problems everywhere he goes no matter how well he plays. He complained in Seattle. He went to LA and wanted them to ditch the triangle for him. Now, he gets traded and would rather quit the game than play in Boston.

Didn't we already go through this with Pippen? A broken down player in the twilight of his career with a bad attitude. Sounds way too familiar to me.

Besides, we're assuming Payton will make us a championship contender and I just don't think he will. His skill at this age combined with our roster just doesn't seem very compatible and what exactly is the point of bringing him here for just one season other than to get the cap space which won't matter anyway with the max we're going to give T-Mac and Yao.

 

One thing we haven't discussed is Gary's ability to run the fastbreak. Yao would not have to run down as much on offense. But, taking all of those things into account.... I think I would pass on Gary. We picked up our guards last week.

 

i agree. you can't turn down a deal like lue for payton. even if it costs us the TE and a pick. the only thing that would concern me is if we get deke and GP we will be in the same situations next summer, looking for a point and a backup center.

 

No way. Lue is more valuable for this team. Payton will complain no matter where he is next season. As his skills diminish, he lashes out more out of frustration.

The reward would be very slim and it is not worth the large risk.

 

And according to LA, Shaq couldn't blend in with Kobe either.

For as "bad" a year Payton had, he still played all 82 games for the Lakers (something the rest of their lauded quartet could not do), averaged 14.6 ppg as a 3rd option, and while his assists dipped to 5.5, his Ast/TO ratio was still a sparkling 2.97, and his FG% was slightly above his career average at 47%.

The Celtics drafted Delonte West who they expect to play some PG, and Marcus Banks also will play some PG. A guy like Lue has some experience, would be able to hold the fort till Banks/West can take over.

As far as the roster situation- The Celtics have 15 contracts, and an unsigned 2nd rounder, so they can't really afford to do a 1 for 2 or 1 for 3 type deal. They also have nearly $59 million in committed salary; I'm sure they wouldn't mind relieving that some.

Very interesting possibilities if you ask me.

 

NO


GP I wouldn't mind. I think he simply didn't fit in the triangle offense and can still be the dominating PG he was in the season before last.

No Karla. Period. There is no good reason to bring him in here when Howard will be more productive.

 

I totally agree. What a whiny bunch of spoiled b***hes.

 

No disrespect GATER, but everything I've read on the struggles they had this last year on D was due to Shaq not stepping out on pick-n-rolls. It was a team defense thing, not necessarily one persons fault.

Just what I read though.

 

GP could be bad for team chemistry and I wouldn't trade Lue for him. Payton is better than Ward as a passer and on offense and defensively he isn't worse than him either but if he were on the Rockets and getting torched by quicker guys JVG would have to replace him with Sura and that would make him mad IMO.
A Sura/Lue/Ward combination in skill level is roughly equal to anything that Payton would bring to the Rockets at this stage too.
I would pass up on him but I don't like having Ward on the team either.

 

Doesn't Payton dominate the ball too much for a team that intends to run virtually all its offense through two players, neither of whom are named Gary Payton?

Wasn't he upset at his role at the Lakers?

Just some thoughts.

 

But when they altered the scheme, Parker was shut down. In round 1, Parker lit up Denver with 21-8.7 on over 52% shooting. In round 2, he was 16.7-6 shooting under 39%. In games 3-6, Parker averaged just 12.5-5.5, with 4 TO per game on 31% shooting. (And Payton averaged 39 mpg in games 3-6).

What does this mean? Phil Jackson was able to create a scheme that shut down the PG. What do you think of JVG's ability to create defensive schemes vs. Jackson's?

On Billups...Billups' best game in both points and assists (27-9) was the game Detroit lost. Curiously enough, Payton logged his fewest minutes of the series that game. While Billups averaged the most points of any series vs. the Lakers, he also averaged the fewest assists.