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The NBA is a regional sport

Discussion in 'NBA Dish' started by VanityHalfBlack, Aug 29, 2023.

  1. Easy

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    One of the reasons is that American sports media rarely report anything other than American professional sports. Probably the only exception is tennis. The only international event that gets extensive coverage is the Olympics.

    It's kind of a vicious cycle. The media only feed what the public is interested. And the public is only interested in what the media feed them.
     
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    The nba has international players but the team that won the nba finals shouldnt b considered the world champion bc they didn't compete in any international contest to earn that distinguishment. It's not that complicated
     
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    The Houston rockets last year were better than every other team in the entire world, not in the NBA, by far.
     
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    The term "world champions" was much more common in the 90s/ early 2000s anyway. Almost no one calls it that anymore. No one under 40 anyway. The term will die out eventually.
     
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    They don't need to compete in any international competition because everybody knows they will win hands down. It ain't that complicated. Who are the stars in the FIBA teams in the Olympics? What league do guys like Giannis, Luka, Jokic and Sengun play in? This is like saying Magnus Carlsen can't be the world's no 1 chess player because he hasn't fought the best chess player in every country in the world. Carlsen doesn't need to beat Bostwanna's no 1 chess player before he can say he is world no 1 because everybody knows Carlsen will smoke Bostwanna's no 1. It's the same thing here name any non NBA team pretty sure Denver Nuggets will beat that team in a best of 7. They don't need to enter any conference cuz if they did everybody knows they will win.

    If in the future a league rises up that can challenge the NBA then ok you can say the NBA champ isn't the world champ but until then they're the world champs. It's not that complicated.
     
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    What do you mean gotta prove it? NBA got the best league, they got the best players...but somehow you don't think NBA don't deserve the title as world champs? You realize the Europe MVP is coming to NBA for 7M a year? That's like his worth in the NBA and you are saying NBA can't be world champs?

    Why don't you prove how any non NBA team can beat the NBA champions in a 7 game series first? If you can't make a convincing argument how they can be beaten by a non NBA team then they are world champions that just facts. If you make a theoretical conference in your head and the only possible outcome is NBA team wins then whats the point of saying they gotta prove it? They don't need to prove it everybody knows they are the best in the world aka world champs.

    This is like you saying Lebron James isn't better at basketball than you just because he's never fought against you before. Lebron better prove it first by coming to your backyard and beating you one on one before he can say he is better than you is that right?
     
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    Just to expound on this if we subscribe to this logic NBA can't even call themselves America's champs cuz they haven't beaten GLeague and NCAA. There's no US tournament that has GLeague and NCAA teams in there so using the same logic the NBA has to beat those 2 leagues first before they can say they are the US champions.

    See how dumb that argument is? Makes zero sense.
     
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    Bottom feeder NBA teams have been beaten multiple times by other Euro teams though. Moreover, past world champs (Spain, Argentina) had like half the roster of non-NBA players. Not all players who had the talent chose to come to the NBA.
     
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    nah, son.
     
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    Typical elitist American arrogance. U can't claim yourself world champ if u didn't earn it in an international competition regardless. In a game of sports, nothing is set in stone upsets can happen. We maybe the best but we haven't earn it/proven ourselves.

    Carlsen is the best bc he does play in international competitions and dumpster his opponents. The top chess federation is the US Federation, so how come Hikaru nakamaru isn't automatically crown the world champ? Bc he gets dumpster by Magnus in international competitions. Magnus wins sht ton of international competitions.


    Similar to how a lot of Folks crown Serena Williams the GOAT bc she dumpster and won a sht ton of titles in different grand slams across the world. She competed in many international competition and won. She earned that distinction


    The International Chess Federation or World Chess Federation, commonly referred to by its French acronym FIDE, is an international organization based in Switzerland that connects the various national chess federations and acts as the governing body of international chess competition.

    Magnus and everybody's else goddam elo rating is used by FIDE

    What a stupid example. Look up chess and how the competition actually work before using it as an example to justify American elitism.

    Best country doesn't automatically makes u world champ. It makes u the favorite to win in any international contest, sure.
     
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  11. roslolian

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    NBA isn't the best country it is the best LEAGUE containing the best players in every country. How is it American elitism when Jokic, Embiid, Luka and Giannis aren't even American and play in the NBA? It is publicly acknowledged the top 200 people play in the NBA. When the gap is that huge they don't need to play cuz everyone knows how it will end up barring cataclysmic events like NBA plane blowing up or something.

    No team outside the NBA comes close to the NBA. If there is an Elo for basketball NBA would be stockfish Elo and everyone else would be Andrea Botez elo you get that or no? Any match between NBA and other league is like Carlsen and you, you get that or no? Does Carlsen need to beat you first and Prove it before he says he will dumpster you? Anything can happen, upsets can happen so why you think Carlsen won't dumpster you? Your logic is so dumb. Why the hell do NBA superstars need to prove themselves against non NBA competition first? Everybody sucks vs the NBA otherwise they would be in the NBA. How many Euro stars tried to play in the NBA and became scrubs? Look at the Olympic teams who do they rely on to carry them? Is there an NBA star who is just a sidekick to their Euroleague teammate? Does Jokic defer to anybody else? Luka? Giannis? Hell even Bruno Fernando who is seen as a total scrub is a star on the Angola national team.

    Everybody knows the Euro MVP is Sasha Vezenkov, how does he match up vs Jokic, Giannis, Embiid, Luka, Lebron, KD etc? If he ain't even a superstar in the NBA and he is the best in Europe why do you even need to talk about proving it? Nobody can beat the NBA champs in a 7 game series quit lying to yourself.

    Just tell me which team you think can beat the Denver Nuggets in a 7 game series. Tell me bro. Which team can upset the Denver Nuggets in a 7 game series? If you can't then they are world champs easy as that.
     
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    Bottom feeder NBA teams arent the world champs, it's the Denver Nuggets who are so good they swept Lebron Lakers and MJ Jr Miami Heat.

    Spain and Argentina had half the roster of non NBA players... The role player half. Spain had Gasol Bros and Rubio, Argentina had Manu and Luis Scola and France had Tony Parker, Rudy Gobert and Nicolas Batum. Get the NBA players from those 3 teams, combine them and have them fight the non NBA players who would win in a 7 game series?

    This whole argument is a joke. The reality is gap between NBA and non NBA has widened even more than the 80s when Dream team led opponents by 50 pts. This is because Globalization meant NBA got all the top talents across the world instead of just the US people. In the past you still had guys like Sabonis being stuck in their region but now almost all who can make it in the NBA go to the NBA. I highly doubt any team out there can compete with the best players in the NBA. Sure there may be players who can make it in the NBA in some leagues, but they are the rarity and Def won't be on par with NBA superstars.
     
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    The Denver Nuggets has yet to play in any International competition hence they do not deserve to b called world champs. It's that simple.

    Being in the best league means jack sht. It's where the top talent play but doesn't necessary automatically crown whoever winning the league world champ, that's some American elitist bullsht

    Carlsen is the world champ bc he competed in international competition and has proven he's top dog. His high elo didnt make him world champ a sht ton of chess grandmaster has a high elo, its him winning in the world chess championship where the best of the best compete from all around the world aka international competition. It's not complicated u doubling down on this example just shows how ignorant u are.

    When the us team wins in the fiba or get gold in Olympics those that were on the team are considered world champs.
     
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    International competition doesn't compare to NBA competition. The NBA is the best league in the world that international players flock too, the NBA champions are world champions
     
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    American elitist at its finest.

    Let's just ignore the Olympics gold medalists and fiba winners. The US men that wins the fiba or the men that won gold in the Olympics will earn the title as world champ, not the Denver Nuggets.


    A lot of my fellow americans in the US has to realize that the world doesn't revolve around them.

    U can't crown yourself world champ if u haven't proven it winning in the international stage.

    Denver Nuggets are the nba champs but declaring themselves the world champs simply bc they played in the best league and haven't proven themselves in international competition is just American ignorance/elitism.

    Might as well just ignore international competition aka Olympics + world championship and crown whoever wins the US Olympics trials in swimming, track and gymnastics as the world champ since we are the best.
     
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    What makes you think the NBA isn't an international competition?Honestly your post tells me you don't understand Jokic and Luka aren't Americans. You are the ignorant one here it is plain to see.

    Where did Carlsen compete in this international competition of his? What country was that competition held? So he can be called world champion because people from all over the world competed but NBA can only be called domestic champions even if Giannis is Greek, Jokic is European and Yuta Watanabe is Japanese? How does that make sense in your head?

    The NBA is the World Chess Championship of basketball. It isn't limited to Americans no matter what your nationality is as long as you are good enough you can go to NBA and make 50 million dollars a year. The NBA is where the best of the best compete only an ignoramus like you denies that.

    Your post said Carlsen is world champ because he beat the best the whole world has to offer so why isn't it the same with Denver Nuggets? Where else do the best of the best in the world compete in except NBA? Ask anybody in the world where the best bball players are they say the NBA they don't say Euroleague or GLeague or whatever. Your reasoning makes zero sense like how you keep saying Giannis is an American.

    Your Olympic argument is dumb AF that team isn't the world champ because that team isn't the best in the world except for arguably the US team which is 100% composed of NBA players. Every other FIBA team would be inferior to the Denver Nuggets which has 15 players in the NBA. The Mavs can't beat Denver Nuggets but somehow you think Slovenia which is Luka and some non NBA bodies are the world champs? Lololololololol
     
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    Nba playoffs isn't an international competition just bc they have international imports. How stupid can u be.

    It's a domestic league where all the teams are based in the US aside from Toronto.

    The NBA is an active member of USA Basketball (USAB) which is recognized by the FIBA (International Basketball Federation) as the national governing body for basketball in the United States.

    United States doesn't equal world.

    AMERICAN ELITIST AT ITS FINEST.



    The Olympics, the world cup, the winter Olympics those are international competition. Competitions that are held in different host countries everytime not basically based in US all the time like the nba.

    That's what international competition means.

    So ignorant to claim a domestic league is international just bc we have foreign players in the league.


    Look up how the world chess champsionship is held before typing out your nonsense.
    The best of the best chess grandmasters of varying nationalities compete In different host countries

    2023: Kazakhstan
    2021: Dubai
    2018: London
    2016: new york
    2014: russia

    I hardly pay attention to chess but u are pretty ignorant when it comes to chess.


    Chess there's different nation Federation where they hold national competition. That's different from the world chess championship which is an international competition hosted by FIDE.

    The us chess championship is different than the world chess championship. So mind numblingly stupid to equate
    The NBA is the World Chess Championship of basketball.

    American elitist mindset.
     
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    So international players playing in something doesn't make it an international competition? Who is the one who plays in the league the players or the organization? You are the stupid one here. Who cares if NBA is only the governing body in the US will you find a. League that's says they are better than the NBA anywhere in the world? NBA is a world class organization they get the best from the entire world. Is Google just a domestic company because they are based in the US? Wtf dude.

    What do you mean international import? There is no import or export in the NBA an nba team can have 15 foreign players as long as they are the best players they could find. Every player in the NBA can be considered a chess grandmaster and the NBA is the World chess federation of basketball. Just cuz it has N in the name doesn't mean it's limited to Americans wtf. The regional argument doesn't apply to the NBA cuz the entire world knows NBA is no 1. Why does NBA need to play other leagues they know they will beat? It's like Carlsen not needing to play you to know he owns you. NBA will own every other league in the world you are the only ignoramus who doesn't understand that.

    International competition means the best of the best players compete in it which is the NBA. Can you name basketball players outside the NBA who are better than the NBA? Who is better than Lebron James outside the NBA?

    You keep saying American elitism but the more we discuss I think you just dumb AF. Imagine saying NBA is domestic even if 30% of it is already foreigners and NBA is 100% the no 1 league in the world and nobody can even comes close.
     
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    US championship is only limited to US citizens NBA doesn't care about your nationality.

    You keep saying best of the best and the literal best of the best players are in the NBA. Nobody denies the best players of the world are in the NBA doesn't matter what your nationality is. Where they play is irrelevant that's just the location the point is if you look at the best players in the entire World they are in the NBA. That makes NBA champs world champs because you can't make a non NBA team that can beat the Denver Nuggets. That just facts.

    I am done here you are so ignorant and I think anybody who reads our posts will see the flaws in your reasoning pretty clearly.
     
  20. DatRocketFan

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    World championship are global competition where individuals and or team representing their representative countries compete for a world title aka world cup/Olympics

    Denver Nuggets is a team that represent a city in the United States, it's isn't a country its a fking city in the US so therefore they can't participate or win in an international competition where folks compete for national pride

    The nba is an American sports league. Just because north american teams compete in the best league doesn't make them world champs.

    It's a domestic league where all the teams are based in North America (29 in us and 1 In Canada).

    Giannis doesn't represent Greece, he represent Milwaukee, luka doesn't represent Slovenia, he represent Dallas while joker represent Denver not Siberia. It's not that complicated. Having International players that represent US cities doesn't make it an international league

    Like I said American elitist makes folks truly believe that the best league equal world champs. The world doesn't revolve around the us.


    U really need to look up the difference between a domestic competition vs an international competition.

    Any idiot could tell that nba is a Major professional sports leagues in the United States and Canada and last I check that doesn't represent the world
     
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