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(Cinema) Sound of Freedom

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  1. dobro1229

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    As I said in my earlier post, ALOT of movies have this same premise. None of them were billed as must sees if you care about the topic. No self righteous jerks told me that if I didn’t like Taken then I’m not woke enough about trafficking.

    The only reason why people make this movie out to be something special is because of the politics behind it from your end. It’s Taken…. but in the end… we link you to essentially a Trump super Pac.

    But please tell me again how I am the one being political here.
     
  2. clos4life

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    Exactly, thank you for making my point. It's personal bias for you. If the same movie is made by anyone else you personally agree with it is fine. You simply don't like the movie that can help bring awareness to child trafficking, like others before it, not because it is bad or that it would harm child trafficking victims, but simply due to personal dislike of who made it.
     
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    As I said before, I don’t like any of these movies that use the same old cheap trope to manipulate emotions. Stop gaslighting with the theory that i would normally enjoy movies about sex trafficking but I’m only disliking this one because of my political beliefs.

    Taken and a bunch of Bruce Willis B level movies are also not appealing to me because the premise is old, tired, and manipulative. I would say the over use of this premise can actually serve to desensitize on the victims in real life while elevating too much the inflated self service of self importance, machoism, vigilantism, etc. The more you watch these movies the less you’ll be shocked by the horror, and the more your look to serve your fantasy of vigilantism.

    Taken is the same movie essentially but without promoting a right wing pac at the end and Liam Nissam wasn’t doing press promoting an indicted presidential candidate.

    I’m not the one injecting politics into this film and to point the finger at me is quite the projection. And I simply am not going to get gaslit into submission here.

    A. The film is nothing special from a premise standpoint. It objectively looks like crap or at least B movie level.
    B. I and others are as woke as you about child trafficking whether we see this film or not. You don’t get a special virtue signal badge because you saw this one movie and I didn’t.
    C. The filmaker, subject of the film, the ending of the film itself, and especially the lead actor are the ones injecting politics into this films release… not me.
     
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    Yeah, researched it and I had no idea about the politics and ideology of the lead and if the creators support it. I just enjoyed the movie honestly and I'm not signing off on politics or any of those issues discussed. It's tough to separate art from the artist or person who created it, so I can understand the perspective of others.
     
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    Well, not liking this type of movie seems acceptable to me, I'm not a fan of horror movies as a genre themselves although loads of people love them. However, strange argument about being desensitized, same argument people used for video games decades ago, or D&D Satan worship in the 80's, which also was proven wrong. I'm pretty sure no one will be ever desensitized to child trafficking. I mean, if that's the case how come watching Disney movies doesn't make people gay and feminist?

    I do find it weird that the people who made the movie would be the ones that turn you off, not the movie itself. It's kind of how I found it silly that Budlight was boycotted for using an LGBTQ+ spokesperson. Also weird, the people who boycott Target for the same reason I could care less. I judge a product by its quality, not the people's politics behind the product, and while Budlight is trash beer, Target is a pretty decent store.

    Anyways, you feel free to watch whatever you want, I don't personally care. Weird motivation for not watching the movie but whatever. But thank you for reminding me to watch Taken again btw, great movie. In the meantime, I'll wait for Sound of Freedom to hit streaming. It made $175 million so far, I'm assuming it's worth a watch if it's made that much money on a B level budget regardless of the politics of the people who made it.
     
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    What I was referring to was the movie trope cause and effect over it's target audience. There's a fantastical high that the target viewer gets when the "hero" decides to take matters into their own hands, and starts blasting fools.

    You ever heard of the term "Fridging"... which is a trope referring to when a female character is killed off only as a mechanism to serve the male protagonists motivation??... well in these movies that is happening, but instead of a dead wife, or girlfriend, it's using child trafficking to serve as the mechanism for the protagonist and in their fantasy the audience.

    You also mentioned horror movie fans which is also applicable. Horror movie fans who watch B level movies are going into it for the high of the jump scare, and cathartic ending where theres a sole survivor. The more you watch horror movies, the more you are there to part of the product that triggers your endorphins. The part of the SOF that triggers the endorphins is the part where the Bruce Willis character starts getting revenge... that's my point about desensitization.... which probably wasn't the best word to use, but you get my point.

    The people behind this film are not only using a tired trope... they are also doing it not JUST to serve the motivations of the character, and serve the fantasy of viewers who like to fantasize as a Punisher type of hero, but it's also serving a political message.... one that literally comes on the screen at the end of the movie, and where it's stars are out on the press junket pumping up this film in this context of a Qanon fantasy.

    This is like the "Movie Sin" hall of fame right here.

    I don't know how many times I have to say it.... the Movie's premise REGARDLESS of the political (some would even say cult like) messaging, the film tropes are bad, and over used. Usually just thrown into straight to Red Box DVD's because there's not a wide audience for them anymore beyond their base viewer. It's a lazy movie premise, but for some reason people are acting as if it's the Godfather. Mostly because of word of mouth that was spread through right propaganda outlets and the evangelical movement. They also created a scheme where they were buying out movie theatres with no viewers for the first couple weeks just so they could post big numbers, get attention, and then out of curiosity people then actually go see what is essentially the premise of every Liam Nissam or Bruce Willis movie from the past 10 years.

    I just don't know how many more ways this movie can be a gimmick. If people just love Taken type of movies then great... knock yourself out, but if I have one more person tell me that "YOU HAVE TO" see SOF, and how it brings light to this important topic apparently I didn't know or care about before, and gaslight me in the process.... I'm going to vomit.
     
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    But....YOU HAVE TO SEE IT!!!...

    I kid, I kid. I think I get your line of thinking better this last post. I don't totally agree but I can better understand your reasoning.
     
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