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Kamala is no joke; will vote for her again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. NewRoxFan

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    Looks like this maga wants to get out early... and throwing the book, including impeachment charges for jaywalking and bad breath...

     
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    He might have been involved with the laptop dic pics too, make that another count.
     
  4. rocketsjudoka

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    To bring this back from the CLimate Change thread.

    The undeniable fact was that the Afghan government collapsed very fast. That was obvious as Kandahar, Jalabad and other Afghan cities were falling in days, sometimes hours. It's also a fact that Biden did have to send in more troops to secure the Kabul airport. THe evidence was obvious that the Afghan government couldn't be counted on.

    Yes we shouldn't have stayed in Afghanistan that long. The report isnt about why we should've stayed in Afghanistan it is about the failures of the withdrawl and why it went so badly.
     
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    Sorry I didn't see this earlier.

    None of those are an open border. At most it is a relaxation of immigration rules but it's nothing like an open border.

    Also you forgot to mention that duing the first 100 days in office and after Biden kept the Title 42 rule in place that largely kept migrants from crossing and seeking asylum.
     
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    The cities were "falling" only because it was a planned withdrawl from the Afghan forces. The plan was to withdrawl from rural Afghanistan nd the army would double down on major cities. Lloyd austin said he was told that Kabul would atleast holdout for a month and the Afghan forces would hold the city.

    The entire project and training was a scam in Afghanistan. You keep trying to put lipstick on a ugly pig. It wont happen. You keep trusting bs reports
     
  7. rocketsjudoka

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    You're raising a strawman that somehow I'm defending staying in Afghanistan when I've said several times we had to leave Afghanistan. That you're now denying evidence presented to you frankly shows you have no interest in actually debating it but are just digging in.

    This is exactly what you accuse many others you don't agree with of doing.
     
  8. astros123

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    Ive read every single thing you've shown me. Ive never ignored anything youve told me to read. Nothing you have presented me shows that the biden admin ignored the most likely scenario. The report you asked me to read simply said that a total collapse was a risk but was not the likeliest.

    If you have evidence that a complete collapse was the most likely outcome in late july then please do present it.
     
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    Evidence does indeed exist. The complete collapse occurred.
     
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  10. astros123

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    Yes and the point ive made to @rocketsjudoka is while i agree that there were some minor voices in july at the state department whom estimated a total collapse could happen the likely outcome was still a prolonged advanced by the taliban. The military command said that the agreement with the afghan forces was that they would keep the capital at all expense.

    I have not read any evidence that has shown that the overwhelming opinion at the state department was that a total collapse was likely. Yes that was a risk that was presented but what the military told the WH was that the afghan forces would keep the capital at all cost.

    If im wrong here and theres evidence that suggests otherwise then im sorry and ill stand corrected.
     
  11. rocketsjudoka

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    The fact is that they did ignore the evidence shown by that the Afghan government did collapse a the US had to send more troops in.

    you even acknowledge that there were voices in the government that warned this would happen.

    The State department is run by the executive branch and Biden is the head of that. That they were feeding him bad info and he was believing it even telling people who questioned him on it “that in no reality would the Afghan government collapse that fast” is a failure of the Biden Presidency. Blaming it on the media and the deep state is the same as Trump supporters blaming the Leftist Media and disloyal generals.
     
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    Right because its not like the deep state was making hundreads of millions of dollars a day in Afghanistan or it wasnt like the CIA wasnt pushing heroin in the northern regions of Afghanistan huh. I just dont think you or other people have any idea how much of a complete **** show Afghanistan was. Once you realize how corrupt the entire operation was then you would realize how entrenched the deep state was at keeping us funding there. Its just funny how we spent 100 billion dollars arming the afghan army yet nobody wonders what happened to that training lol

    We have different opinions. Afghanistan is the single greatest thing biden will ever do while hes POTUS. The deep state got punched in the face.

    Biden said what he said but he never believed the afghan army could win. Maybe he shouldve been more careful about his words but i blame the military for pissing away 100 billion dollars on a fake army
     
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    You keep on pushing a strawman.

    Yes Afghanistan was a shyteshow that we had to leave. That doesn't mean the withdwawl wasn't done very poorly. nor that there wasn't plenty of evidence that it was going to go badly and the Biden Admin handled it poorly.
     
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    Yes Biden can be creepy at times. I do wonder though if any Republican said something about that when Trump made inappropriate comment about their wives.
     
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    https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing...esident-joe-biden-on-the-wildfires-in-hawaii/
    Statement from President Joe Biden on the Wildfires in Hawaii
    1. HOME
    2. BRIEFING ROOM
    3. STATEMENTS AND RELEASES


    Jill and I send our deepest condolences to the families of those who lost loved ones in the wildfires in Maui, and our prayers are with those who have seen their homes, businesses, and communities destroyed. We are grateful to the brave firefighters and first responders who continue to run toward danger, putting themselves in harm’s way to save lives.

    I have ordered all available Federal assets on the Islands to help with response. The Hawaiian National Guard has mobilized Chinook Helicopters to help with fire suppression and search and rescue on the Island of Maui. The U.S. Coast Guard and Navy Third Fleets are supporting response and rescue efforts. The Army is providing Black Hawk Helicopters to fight the fires on the Big Island. The Department of Transportation is working with commercial airlines to evacuate tourists from Maui, and the Department of the Interior and the United States Department of Agriculture stand ready to support post fire recovery efforts.

    I urge all residents to continue to follow evacuation orders, listen to the instructions of first responders and officials, and stay alert.
     
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    This is true - it is very hard to link most cancers to a particular event, even when there are toxins involved.

    I have had to deal with this as a lawyer and essentially all we can do it rely on the number of cases and rates of cancer with people that engage in a particular behavior and even that is questionable. For example, the increased cancer rate for people that eat sausage can be because of sausage or it could be that people that eat lots of sausage also tend to do other behaviors that increase cancer rates.

    However, I am not going to give Biden a hard time. It is his opinion that Beau got sick from exposure to burn pits. We do know that burn pits release toxins that can cause cancer, and Biden isn't alone in believing that the burn pits in the Middle East caused cancer. Also, in court a number of those seeking compensation for cancer caused by burn pits have won.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    Also that Congress has recognized this and has passed legislation giving Veterans more access to treatment and benefits from exposure to burn pits.
     
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    I defended Trump for the cost of his vacations and how much time he took off - having said that, a lot of liberals were complaining about it so I think it is fair to point out.

    What I would say is that Biden is nearly 80 years old, and on top of that, I have supported President's getting vacation time - it is an extremely important and stressful job, and their mental and physical health is very important.

    It is only natural that Trump or in this case Biden - would need more vacation time than someone like Obama or GW, who are younger.
     
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