Breaking 1-06-21: MAGA terrorist attack on Capitol

Trump would openly threaten his AGs, and they still weren't willing to undertake a dodgy political prosecution. Neither his special counsel. And he had a reputation for retaliating against people who defied him. So, why would Garland throw his principles to the curb because he heard a rumor that Biden might be miffed? Not like he'd lose his appointment over it.

 

My civil rights to shitpost shall not be infringed!

 

I like this fitting response. Expand for full view.

 

So I said this on January 7th 2021 but a friend who is close friends with people at Jan 6th showed me a screen shot of a Facebook message his friend got directly from Trumps account.

The message @Trumps account was something along the lines of “we are coming to DC. Heads will roll etc etc” (don’t quote me on that part exactly) and Trumps response back to him which I do remember was “You are a true patriot J$&@*”.

Trump was absolutely messaging Jan 6ers prior to the riot. However that was Facebook. Not Twitter but I’m sure he also must have been using Twitter to message too.

So I know from my own personal experience this is not a non story. I couldn’t believe at the time he was actually im’ing random proud boys. Still can’t.

 

Little by little, republicans are speaking out...

 

I hope the Judge tells Trump no, and that he won't receive special treatment any other indicted felon wouldn't get.

Trump wants the Justice Department to set up a secure facility where he can discuss materials he allegedly mishandled

Smith's office said in a filing last month that Trump and his lawyers should stick to the established protocol for discussing the documents — going to a court-approved sensitive compartmented information facility, or SCIF. "The government is not aware of any case in which a defendant has been permitted to discuss classified information in a private residence, and such exceptional treatment would not be consistent with the law," the July filing said.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/do...et-scif-can-discuss-classified-docs-rcna99111

 

If that's true, he's absolutely dumber than a bag of hammers... which was always one model I was holding out for him.

 

Trump did say that the documents were his and that he wanted them back.

 

As if Trump would honor any oath to anyone but himself. Come on, his history speaks for itself.

 

Probably so which is why I said the need to be defeated again and again.

Many of those on the Right now this isn't going well and have known for years. Judge Luttig back during the first impeachment was already saying that Trump was corrupt and that this would harm the Republican party and Conservative movement. Lindsay Graham said this back in 2015 before he decided it was better for his career to suckup to Trump.


We would think that losing badly in 2018, 2020 and having the most MAGA candidates losing what should've been easy wins in 2022 would be convincing but it's going to take further losses.

 

They've lost three straight elections where the issue has been Trump: 2018 midterms, 2020 presidential and 2022 midterms. Yes, they barely took the House in 2022, but the Senate was there and they fumbled it because voters in Georgia, Pennsylvania, Arizona and Nevada are sick of this guy.

 

Basically, it looks like Trump formed a conspiracy to set up the vice president to steal the election for him, and he started executing on that conspiracy without getting said vice president to commit to the conspiracy. Trump probably figured he could bully Pence into doing it the day-of. If he had been able to, the scheme might or might not have worked, but it definitely couldn't work without Pence. It's like laying meticulous plans for a bank heist and calling an uber for your getaway car. I often remark how Trump operates on instinct that leads him to do things that could be advantageous to him even if he doesn't know how it'll quite work out - and the law of averages means he'll win more often than he loses. But I can't imagine executing on a plan to defraud the United States on instinct and not having every damn piece of the plan nailed down. Would he free climb El Capitan without first knowing every foothold? Old news, I know, just boggling anew at the audacity and foolhardiness of his attempted coup.

 

Trump has never shown great executive abilities. Trump got little or nothing done as POTUS.

Now as a marketeer, Trump is world class.

 

I think he had help which is why there are co-conspirators listed and collectively they seem to have planned out the angles.

Id point you to the fact that Chuck Grassely announced on 1/5 that he’d be presiding over the certification because Pence wouldn’t be there. So that’s evidence there of them calculating different angles around what Pence’s role would be.

Also it’s been reported and I believe the indictment is clear on the plan for Pence’s actions (or Grassleys actions) to be to just delay by Pence or Grassley just refusing to preside that day which would theoretically trigger the 12th amendment which would then have the House vote by state.

Steve Bannon himself has said publicly on his podcast that they even went to the lengths of whipping the votes and they had 24 of the 26 locked up and were working on the final 2.

What’s unclear is Pelosi’s role as speaker of the house and whether or not she had the power to keep the house from taking that vote during the delay.

But regardless the role of Pence here to “overthrow” is leaving out some context about his key role but why it was planned out more than just relying on him and only him.

 

Jack Smith requests Jan 2 start date for the DC trial and says he will need 3-4 weeks to present his case.

 

related:

Start your engines: Iowa GOP schedules presidential caucuses for Jan. 15

https://www.politico.com/news/2023/07/08/iowa-gop-presidential-caucuses-00105309

 

[AP] Prosecutors seek Jan. 2 trial date for Donald Trump in his 2020 election conspiracy case

Prosecutors with special counsel Jack Smith's team asked a judge on Thursday to set a Jan. 2 trial date for former President Donald Trump in the case charging him with plotting to overturn his 2020 election loss.

Prosecutors said in court papers that they want the case before U.S. District Judge Tanya Chutkan to move to trial swiftly in Washington's federal court, setting up a likely battle with defense attorneys who have already suggested they will try slow things down. Smith's team says the government's case should take no longer than four to six weeks.

The date is just under two weeks before the first votes are set to be cast in the Republican presidential race, with Iowa’s first-in-the-nation caucuses scheduled for Jan. 15.

The early front-runner in the 2024 Republican presidential primary faces charges including conspiracy to defraud the United States for what prosecutors say was a weekslong plot to subvert the will of voters and cling to power after he lost the 2020 election to Democrat Joe Biden.

The indictment accuses Trump of spreading lies about election fraud he knew were false to sow distrust in the democratic process and pressuring Vice President Mike Pence and state election officials to take action in a brazen attempt to cling to power.

Trump, who pleaded not guilty last week, says he is innocent and has portrayed the investigation as politically motivated. His legal team has indicated it will argue that he was relying on the advice of lawyers around him in 2020 and had the right to challenge an election he believed was rigged.

Trump was already scheduled to be in a courtroom in the heat of next year's presidential primary season, with a March 25 criminal trial scheduled in a separate case in New York stemming from hush money payments made during the 2016 campaign.

The former president is scheduled to go to trial in May in another case brought by Smith over his handling of classified documents found at his Mar-a-Lago estate in Palm Beach, Florida.

He's also gearing up for a possible fourth indictment, in a case out of Fulton County, Georgia, over alleged efforts by him and his Republican allies to illegally meddle in the 2020 election in that state. The county district attorney, Fani Willis, a Democrat, has signaled that any indictments in the case would likely come this month.

Trump has already said he will push to have the 2020 election case moved out of Washington, claiming he can't get a fair trial in the heavily Democratic city, which voted overwhelmingly for Biden. But it's extremely difficult to convince a judge that a jury pool is so biased that a trial must be moved. And judges in Washington, including Chutkan, have repeatedly rejected similar efforts by Trump supporters charged in the Jan. 6 Capitol attack.

Smith's Washington case accuses Trump of orchestrating schemes to enlist slates of fake electors in seven battleground states won by Biden to sign false certificates representing themselves as legitimate electors and try to use the investigative power of the Justice Department to launch sham election fraud probes. When his efforts failed, prosecutors say, he badgered Pence to disrupt the ceremonial counting of electoral votes before Congress on Jan. 6, 2021, the day an angry mob of his supporters attacked the U.S. Capitol.

In an early glimpse into the intense legal fighting to come in the case, prosecutors and defense attorneys have been arguing over a protective order that would place rules on what Trump's legal team can do with evidence handed over by the government as they prepare for trial. Protective orders are not uncommon in criminal cases and are usually imposed with little legal wrangling.

But Trump's lawyers say prosecutors' proposal — which seeks to prevent Trump and his lawyers from publicly disclosing evidence handed over by the government — is too broad and would restrict his First Amendment rights. They are urging the judge to impose a more limited protective order that would restrict only the public sharing of information deemed “sensitive," like grand jury materials.

In urging the judge to impose the order, prosecutors noted Trump's tendency to use social media to talk about the legal cases against him and expressed concern that he would share sensitive information that could intimidate witnesses.

Chutkan is expected to hold a hearing on the matter on Friday in Washington's federal court.​

 

Report: Bronzer-slathered manatee carcass found in Yosemite park

 

Trump supporters remind me of Anderson Silva fans after he lost to Chris Weidman.