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Looking ahead 3 yrs,how are we going to keep all these players?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Rolliepollie, Aug 7, 2023.

  1. Os Trigonum

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    Assuming the Rockets don't give either player an extension next year, they go into RFA in summer of 2025. At which point the Rockets make them a 1-year qualifying offer contract. If they accept that offer, then then can become UFA in 2026. It's a path very few players actually take, but that's the fastest way to UFA if any first rounder wants to take it.
     
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    $HIT!!! You're right.

    Boban - $1,250,000 / Year - Until he dies.
     
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    FVV: yes

    Brooks:
    2023-24 $22,627,671
    2024-25 $22,255,493
    2025-26 $21,124,110
    2026-27 $19,992,727
     
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    Looking ahead 3 years in the Silas era was easier.
     
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    It's terribly difficult to really "Front Load" a contract in the NBA with the current rules.

    Contracts are only allowed to decline a max of 8% from one year to the next.

    Brooks contract does "decline" year over year but not by a whole heck of a lot.

    The second year is 2% lower than the first.
    The 4th year is 5.5% lower than the 3rd.


    Yes, it will be a smaller percentage of the cap total year over year ....
     
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    Not sure about that. You can see how hard it is to trade Lillard and Siakim in the off-season.

    And they are good players that are better than average. The typical fans/teams will think their player is worth a kings ransom. Rockets will see elite player and want the return to equal that. I see VanVleet as average but receiving elite money.

    If I'm the other team, I'm not giving much for team salary filler or less for salary reducer.
     
  8. Corrosion

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    When looking at the costs to keep these kids, I think we have to project their value as a percentage of the cap rather than raw dollar values.

    35% all NBA team
    25% for max guys. 0-6 years.
    12-15% for super role players.
    9% is the full MLE
    5.6% is the room exception for cap space teams.
    3.6% is the taxpayer MLE
    1.3% is the veteran minimum.


    The MLE & room exceptions would only come into play if they were allowed to reach restricted FA.

    I doubt we are looking at handing out a 35% max to any of these kids on contract #2, doubtful they make any all NBA teams (yet).


    It's highly doubtful that they keep them all but it's entirely possible - mathematically - that they could retain 3 of them on 25% max deals and 2 more on second tier 12-15% deals and be ~18% below the first apron with those 5 contracts leaving room to fill out the roster.

    Who fits in what category??
     
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    The designated rookie rule has been eliminated in the new CBA. This has a very big effect for the Cleveland Cavaliers in particular, who will likely want to max out Evan Mobley next summer, but would have previously been prevented from doing so because of Darius Garland and Donovan Mitchell. Mitchell in particular would be a painful one, since next summer he'd be a pending free agent who i personally think is a pretty big threat to leave in free agency, but would keep them from locking in Mobley.

    Most interestingly to me is that it also allows teams to offer 5-year extensions which are non-designated max deals. I have generally been impressed by this current Rockets front office in their creativity in their contract structures, so being able to add in some partial guarantees, incentives, or declining/flat structures over an extra year is probably a good thing.
     
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    But that's because they're trying to get huge returns - not clear cap room.
     
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    I've been thinking - what other Rockets roster - or NBA historical roster - has had FIVE Franchise players?

    Alperen Sengun, Jalen Green, Jabari Smith, Fred VanVleet and Amen Thompson - ALL franchise players.

    It's insane. 5 guys who if you put them on any other team could sell enough tickets to build a new stadium. #Clutchfans
     
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    Exactly.

    Teams won't want to spend much on cut bait.
    Teams won't want to send good talent for him

    Rockets won't want to take back bad contracts.
    Rockets won't want to bring in 5 players to equal $43M. Defeats the purpose.

    If Tilman buys them out....that goes on the books.

    Only option will be team option exercised prior to 3rd year.


    Teams will have adjusted and there won't be bottom out'd teams like Houston this past summer. Reason for rule change.

    Rockets will have to give VanVleet away like they did TyTy, Garuba, J C. Hope we don't have to attach 1st round picks like we did with CP3, just to get rid of him sooner.

    Main reason I didn't want another $40+M contract. Especially for an average player (imo)
     

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