;-) Williams suspended for Game 7 of Eastern Conference finals June 2, 2001 NEW YORK (AP) -- Milwaukee forward Scott Williams was suspended by the NBA on Saturday and will miss Game 7 of the Eastern Conference finals against Philadelphia for a flagrant foul on Allen Iverson. Williams hit Iverson, the regular season MVP, in the chin with an elbow in the opening minutes of Friday's Game 6, which Milwaukee won 110-100. Game 7 is Sunday night in Philadelphia. Iverson called it a deliberate cheap shot. Williams proceeded to play his best game of the series, scoring 12 points, including 10 of Milwaukee's first 14, after averaging just three points in the series. NBA Senior VP Stu Jackson reclassified the foul as a ``flagrant foul penalty 2,'' meaning Williams is automatically suspended for one game for accumulating too many penalty points in the playoffs. Williams already had committed flagrant fouls against Orlando on April 22, and against Charlotte on May 17.
You can bet this will stir up some of the people in San Antonio. Personally, I think even the mere consideration of suspension for either incident is ridiculous, but the NBA set a precedent by not suspending Juwan Howard for his hit on Derek Anderson. Was Juwan's hit on purpose, or malicious? That depends on who you ask. But the NBA decided it wasn't, and didn't suspend him. They gave him the benefit of the doubt. Same case here with Williams elbow to Iverson. However, in a similar situation, they wouldn't give a Milwaukee player the benefit of the doubt. Once you set a precedent, you have to stick with it. This is a poor job by the NBA front office. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
The reason Williams was suspended was because of an accumulation of flagrant fouls committed during the playoffs. If Howard committed multiple flagrant fouls during the playoffs then he would have been suspended. Someone should have told Williams that he needs to pull his head out of his ass and quit committing flagrant fouls because he'd get suspended for the next one. ------------------ I don't want to waaaste myyy tiiime, And become a casualty of society. I'll never faaalllll iiin liiine, Become a victim of your conformity and back down. [This message has been edited by Band Geek Mobster (edited June 02, 2001).]
The reason Williams was suspended was because of an accumulation of flagrant fouls committed during the playoffs. I'm aware of that. However, changing flagrants from a 1 to a 2 and the other way are not commonplace. If Williams did not already have 2 flagrants, I seriously doubt the NBA would've taken the time to change this foul to a flagrant 2. Imho, the NBA looked at the tape and found this in their opinion to warrant a suspension, and simply changed the flagrant to a flagrant 2 because that was the easiest way to get the suspension carried out. My only problem is that the malicious intent that brings a suspension or a flagrant 2 was in doubt, much like it was with Howard's incident. The consistency by the league leaves something to be desired. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
cat, did you even see the play where williams fouled iverson? there was NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER he lined up that shot and just took it to him. there certainly was cause to change that call to a flagrant 2. it was deliberate, and it was a very dangerous play. ------------------
cat, did you even see the play where williams fouled iverson? there was NO DOUBT WHATSOEVER he lined up that shot and just took it to him. there certainly was cause to change that call to a flagrant 2. it was deliberate, and it was a very dangerous play. Yes I saw the game. There was plenty of doubt from my perspective. To me, it just looked like Williams was sticking an arm out to slow down a cutting guard through the lane. It didn't look to me that he intended to throw an elbow to Iverson's head at all... ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
yeah, he was just sticking an arm out to slow a penetrating guard down alright. that's why he had it bent so it was the elbow sticking out, AND why he leaned in and threw his elbow into iverson's throat right? he actually stepped into his little move, putting his body weight behind it. yeah, that's the kind of defensive stand we make all the time when we play pickup ball. ------------------ [This message has been edited by mhan (edited June 02, 2001).]
Just like some fish change sex when there aren't enough girls or boys around, TheCat has turned into Coach Sampson w/ the lack of conspiracy theorists. ------------------ You're a fine woman, why don't you mock that draft up
How am I acting like Coach Sampson here? There is a little inconsistency in the officiating with Howard not being suspended and Williams being suspended. I'm not crying conspiracy or anything. This board is unbelievable-- unless you praise the officials as almighty gods you have everyone jumping all over you. The officials are good, but they aren't perfect. ------------------ President of the Mo Taylor and Jason Collier fan club! Draftsource.net-- the premier source for draft info. Profiles, rankings, mock drafts, and more!
Whether or not it is a conspiracy, the fact that a flagrant foul was changed which forced a starter out of the line-up for game 7 of the eastern conference finals is MUCHO suspicious. ------------------ The internet is about the free exchange and sale of other people's ideas. - Futurama
I just saw the replay, there's no way that was an accident. He clearly stuck his elbow out to hit Iverson. Honestly I'm disapointed in this suspension because now all of the Bucks fans will whine about the suspension saying they would have won the series if it wasn't for Scott Williams being suspended. I want the Bucks to win this series now so they can have their antlers handed to them by the Lakers. ------------------ I don't want to waaaste myyy tiiime, And become a casualty of society. I'll never faaalllll iiin liiine, Become a victim of your conformity and back down.
It was definitely intentional, but the refs should have called a flagrant 2 on the spot, if they felt it was just that. It's unjust for the NBA to change a call pretty much 24 hours after a game is over, especially leading to a suspension of a contributor. AND, let's not forget this is the Playoffs, and we're heading to Game 7. ------------------
Got to agree. It was flagrant. I'll also give Iverson credit. He's taking a lot of blows to the face and chest. And He still doesn't give up that in your face style of defense. I still don't like him, but he's taking a beating. Darvin Ham better hit some shots. Is pryzibilla even active. Where's that guy when you need a big body??? ------------------ humble, but hungry.
Ummmm ... the NBA got its wish ... Philly and LA. Ray, you're right on the money! ------------------ Technically speaking, we're #1! ~Portland fans
Yeah it's a conspiracy, the team that plays No defense misses out on the NBA Finals. Learn to play some Defense Bucks and then you can complain. ------------------ "The things I enjoy most, I suck at: 1) Sex: everything's fine until she makes noises." - Achebe Smegs Mock Draft [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited June 04, 2001).]
Smeg, Milwaukee was the the 4th best defensive team this year in the playoffs. ------------------ My doctor says I am bipolar. I am going to get a second opinion. I have never had intimate desires for polar bears.
... and the Bucks are leading in blocked shots per game, if I'm not mistaken. ------------------ Technically speaking, we're #1! ~Portland fans
So what can you say about Patrick Ewing, who came off the bench about 3 feet from where he was supposed to be during a fight, the NBA suspended him and cost the Knicks against the Heat? You know, Ewing was a pretty good player who played pretty good against the Heat. So, um... Oh, wait, how can that be suspicious? New York is a small market. The Heat have Riley! And Miami is a growing market! My bad. Sorry for pointing that out. ------------------ Sleepless in the Bronx
It doesn't change the fact that Milwaukee is a bad defensive team, even if their defensive statistics in the playoffs say otherwise. Aside from one of the championship Rockets teams, I believe every championship team has been in the top 10 defensively during the regular season ,as far as I know, since 1990. It probably goes back further than that. ------------------ [This message has been edited by tacoma park legend (edited June 04, 2001).]
Thanks TPL Who cares what the Post season stats say, numbers mean nothing, cause surely if they were the 4th best in the playoffs they could beat a team made up of one star and a bunch of role players with very limited offensive games. Which 4th best defensive team allows a CBA signing like Bell to score 10 points in a short period of time. Any team with Cassell, Hunter and Robinson on it will always be weak as piss (or Fosters) on defense. Ray Allen at least tries to play Defense, Tim Thomas collects his money, Ervin Johnson is just Cato in another body and just as intimidating and Darvin Ham is a forward in a guards body. And the leading blocks, woo hoo, Cato could lead the league in blocks if he played lots of minutes, cause his version of defense is attempting blocks, what happend when you miss the block, either and open lay-up or a foul... wooopeeee. Bucks Play no Defense!!!!!! ------------------ "The things I enjoy most, I suck at: 1) Sex: everything's fine until she makes noises." - Achebe Smegs Mock Draft [This message has been edited by SmeggySmeg (edited June 04, 2001).]
