Colby, Your right, with the kids in the NBA these days Sampson would average 28 pts. My god, you guys have NO idea what you are talking about do you? Ralph Sampson was AWESOME...a GREAT..GREAT player who was felled by knee problems. Everyone wants to remember his misfortunes, but no one wants to give him credit. He was an outstanding player, and if healthy and with Lucas, Lloyd and Wiggins staying out of rehab, that team could have racked up several championships. Heck, Dream was not even the focus of the offense then, he got most of his points on offensive putbacks. Kids...sheesh !! DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
I think all y'all are caught up too much on the numbers 4 and 3 and 5 and whatnot. I believe Taylor and Griffin will be on the frontcourt most of the time. Does this make Griffin a 3 or a 4? I don't know. Y'all are right that he hasn't developed the handles of a 3 yet. But he neither has the body mass to play 4. In THIS game whenever Jamison bodied him, that fukked him up. Jamison is not NBA starting caliber 4. As for his strengths: He has range, but he also has post moves. But again, he won't be able to post up 4's effectively, just my opinion. I think he can post 3's, but he can't drive 3's too effectively yet. So, I can vision him inside with Mo at the key. I also think that Griffin will get most of this blocks on the weakside. Well, I really don't think there's you can describe as a number better than by his strengths and weaknesses. Let's just say he's multipositional, and with the normal process of maturation, he'll be better at each position. ------------------
I completely agree with Kim. great post. ------------------ .,.·^*'´'|'\..........,.·^*'´¯¯¯'`*^·,...,/|'`*^·-, '|.......'|::\......,·'.....,.·:*:·,......'`i:'|.......| '|.......'|:::|.....;.......':,:::,:·.......';:|.......| '|.......|::;i - ·;i'`:,......¯¯.......,·´|::|.......| '|.......'´.......'|'i:::`*:~·.–·~^*'´: :'|::|.......'`*·-, '|........,.-:^:':'\:'`:;:: :: : : : :: ::;·'i::/`':^·.,......`'i '|..,.:'´:::::::::::'\| '`*^~·:–:·~^*'´..'|/:::::::::'`:^:., | '´:;:::::::::;:-·^*'´.....................`'*^·:;-.....:;·' ....`·;:·'´........................................'`^·:;·´
BTW the anouncers tonight refered to Eddie as 6'11" did any one else notice? ------------------ Women can not fart, belch or burp...therefore they must b**** or they will explode.
If we have a PF with a SF game, and a SF with PF game, then wouldn't that be a mismatch in OUR favour? The kid's 19. Instead of using his current skills ONLY, why not let him develop his ball handling and perimeter defense till the age of 22. Then, there's nothing he won't be able to do, right? Honestly, our PF is barely average-sized. The last thing we need is an undersized PF. Unless Griffin grows to be a LEGITAMITE (however u spell it) 6'10, then he ain't movin from the SF spot. The beauty of taking a young player is being able to mold him into a specific type of player. The fact that his PF-type game is so developed is a bonus, now we can work on his weaknesses so that he can be a SF with all the skills. ------------------
Bah - Explain to me how Sampson would average more than Duncan, Wallace, Webber, Malone, etc.? I watched Sampson play, and he was really good his first three years. I just don't think he could hang with the more physical PFs of today. ------------------ T-Pooh and BahDakota went up the hill, to make a bet on a Forward. When it all came down, they were nowhere to be found. Now they should be drawn and quartered.
Limburger, Sampson came out a much more polished player, and he had to share the touches with Dream. Ralph Sampson was a 3 time College player of the year, he was no slouch. DaDakota ------------------ If you like RTS games, check out this one. www.frontierwars.com coming soon to a PC near you.
Posted by BahDakota Your right, with the kids in the NBA these days Sampson would average 28 pts. So you think he would average more than Duncan, Webber, Malone? ------------------ T-Pooh and BahDakota went up the hill, to make a bet on a Forward. When it all came down, they were nowhere to be found. Now they should be drawn and quartered. [This message has been edited by Colby (edited July 27, 2001).]
wasn't sampson 7'5" with skills. I think he would average more than duncan and about the same as malone and Webber. ------------------
mcdyees from denver is 220,so is rashed,and kg.in 2 years he can add 20lbs and retain his quickness.i just doesn't see why you would want that shot blocking/rebouding so far from the goal playing the 3 ------------------ everett
mcdyees from denver is 220,so is rashed,and kg.in 2 years he can add 20lbs and retain his quickness.i just doesn't see why you would want that shot blocking/rebouding so far from the goal playing the 3.people act like mo taylor didn't get abused at that spot last year.check the numbers.he's 260 and let every one and there momma kill him except the scrubs.he'll even rueben patterson was posting up taylor,working him in the post and scoring.i don't see how eddie complements taylor,when they play the 4's in the west,taylors will play the 3 man and eddie the 4?please help me here ------------------ everett
I think here are some arguments people have been saying that should help explain: 1) Mo isn't fully matured as a player, being as he is only 24 yrs old. So he will get better with experience and proper training. 2) Mo's body is ideal for the PF spot. 3) Mo will defend 4's and Eddie will defend 3's: to calm your worries, I think Eddie will get many of his blocks from the weakside. From what I have read and seen so far, Eddie leaves his man a lot when he sees someone commiting to a shot and thus blocks like that. Darius Miles blocked a lot of shots last year roaming. KG does too. You don't HAVE to be camping in the post in order to block shots, even though that is a very effective method. 4) People say Eddie compliments Taylor because Eddie does many of the things well that Taylor didn't do last year, specifically rebounding and blocking shots. Shawn Marion is a prototype that I would see as a guy who would compliment Taylor. Eddie from what I've read and seen just has a knack for getting his hands on the ball without showing much effort by his expressions. On the other hand, Mo has a knack for missing rebounds even though he looks like he's trying very hard. 5) Offensively, Eddie and Mo also compliment eachother. It seems like Eddie likes to post and Mo likes to shoot from out. I believe Eddie has an avantage in posting 3's in this league and since Mo is drawing out opposing 4's, it should be a better rebounding situation for the Rocks than if Mo was inside and Eddie was out, though I still think Eddie likes to crash the boards. Mo can also drive on most big men in the L. Also, if the opposing team switches, Mo will definitly have the strength advantage over the 3 and you would post him, and Eddie should have the speed avantage over the 4, so he could drive. So offensively I think they compliment eachother too. On a separate note BaDadakota, I think you might be a little over dramatic with your Sampson rhetoric. It's good and all, but I think that Sampson only played 5 years here, and that's just really hard to judge him fully. I mean he had his first 3 awesome years when he was like a 22 and 12 guy, then when he was injured his last two years I think he was a 15 and 8 guy. So the only legitimit evidence you can judge him by is his first 3 years, the latter two being with Dream. Now I don't know about Dream's rookie year/Ralph's 2nd, but I do believe that by Dream's 2nd year, the teams was transitioning if not fully transitioned into Dream's team. All in all, I don't think Sampson even if he never fell to injury, would of turned out better than Dream. Again though, too little evidence, but the evidence that there is points that way. Sooo, I just don't think you can be so adamantly sure that Sampson would dominate the likes of Duncan, Webber, McDyess. It's also doubly difficult because the eras are different and so hard to fairly compare. And lastly, whoever asked about Rocks Classic games above, after ESPN Classic started airing Game 6 Vs Utah 97' for the 3rd time tonight, I started recording from the begining so it should be the whole thing now, which means RMR got taped over. ------------------
I agree. He was one of the premier players in his day. If his knees could have stayed healthy, he would have been standing next to Dream during the title days. But not 28 ppg, he would be an all-star caliber PF, but IMO not that good of a player. ------------------ The title will come to ClutchCity once again.
Antonio McDyess isn't 220, he's 245. ------------------ "Instruments are like women: After a while, you want to make love to another." - Nicolas Godin of the musical duo Air
Eddie is going to play against 3s on off and def with a 4's style of play I liked his postup and turnaround stuff he did tonight, did you all notice only one or two shots he took facing up like langhi Langhi also very impressive and should backup Mobes at 2 Rudy shouldnt stunt Griffin by not starting him. Griffin could progress very quickly if allowed to start. TMO looks very disinterested at times, but I know he can play much better, it was only ONE game... ------------------ I've got long signature envy
Griffin can hold his own, he will be one awesome player that can take this team to the next level and all of that is just a matter of the way he will mature. ------------------ Rudy T. will find and fulfill Rockets destiny.
Ralph Sampson was responsible for the biggest one year turnaround in wins for a rookie in league history, until Duncan I believe. Of course the Spurs also got Robinson back from injury that year too, so Ralph's accomplishment was more legitimate. You have to also consider that our team defense completely fell apart upon Barkley's arrival, and has never recovered.
Larry Bird improved the Celtics' record by 32 games his first season and led them to the Eastern Conference finals. Ralph Sampson improved the Rockets' record by 15 games and led them to their second straight coin flip. ------------------
