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[NY Post] Cornel West says Biden committed ‘crime against humanity’ against black Americans

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  1. fchowd0311

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    I'm sure there are protestant Irish who were treated better by their British lords than the Catholic Irish because of the shared religion between the British lords and Protestants

    That's irrelevant to the fact that the British land lording system is pretty much responsible for a mass Irish genocide. Like are some Irish being modern supporters of the UK changing that? No. So at the end of the day some people advocating for something within a community doesn't make it inherently right. That's all you are proving to me when you say some Irish approved of the British landlording system over Irish farm land that directly resulted in famine. The potato blight created a shortage of a single crop. There was plenty of food available. But the Irish peasants had to sell the food they grew because landlords need their profits... Landlords who live in another country. The potatoes they grew for themselves rotted but that didn't mean they had to starve to ****ing death.
     
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    It's also a trend in history. Most large scale empires last about 200-300 years before slowly decaying.
     
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    I doubt they will change any trajectories and trends.
     
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    Yes I agree with your critique of the British rule of ireland. That doesn’t change the fact that a significant portion of the Irish population supports the British and have so for centuries.

    Also as you note the situation with the US Crime Bill isn’t really that analogous. There wasn’t a potato famine in the US in the 90’s.
     
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    I mean I'm not saying it's analogous in that sense. It's analogous in the sense that members of a community advocating for something doesn't mean it's good for the community. I mean we agree, the British lording system over Ireland was near objectively bad for the Irish. Yet some Irish supported it. Hence my premise.
     
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    I’m not sure the trends are that. As noted historic inequity is down from what it was 100
    Years ago. While we have troubling issues of race the country isn’t what it was 50 years ago. We saw a rise in crime starting during pandemic but that figure is still lower than what things were in the 80’s. In the meantime things like the ACA have improved access to healthcare among the lower classes. Poverty is still present but even the poorest Americans now have a higher standard of living than they did during the Dust Bowl.

    While inequity could destroy America I think the far bigger danger are partisan division leading to the things like Jan. 6 and an overthrow of the rule of law. The possibility of Trump or a Trump like leader succeeding in overturning an election, declaring martial law and leading to a civil war I think is a far more likely danger.
     
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    Partisan division is a effect. A healthy society with a healthy stratification of wealth leads to less partisanship.
     

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