Ron Artest for Peja-- who comes out better if it happens?

Does it really matter what Indiana offered?

T-Mac wasn't traded for the best package, he was traded to Houston because he told them he wouldn't sign an extension with anyone else.


Aside from that, Weisbord has some man-love for Francis. Something to do with character and how Francis stood up for Yao against Stoudamire, bla bla bla.

I also think Weisbrod didn't want to take on Bender's contract because he was going to sign Turkoglu to play with Grant Hill, Keith Bogans and Pat Garrity at that position.

 

T-Mac's wanting to only sign with Houston was really the linch pin of the deal. There is no way Bird or any other GM was gonna trade away and all-star and solid role players just to probably rent the scoring champ for a year. No dice. Changing subjects-- Didn't Harrington want out of Indy really bad though?? I know that the Pacers could have got something for him, and I imagine they tried, but it seems that they wanted to keep payroll down (like someone said in a previous post) and be sure that they got SJ. So perhaps Harrington was the buy off for Atlanta not meddling in Indy's plans...Also every1 has been sayin Ron is a nut, Artest is a loose cannon. His track record speaks for itself, but i really sensed and at least thought that i saw Ron become a lot more mature and a lot less cooky last season. Maybe its cuz i like the guy, but besides that one suspension, he kept his kewl, and only served to help the team on the way to DPOY and All-Star recognition. Just my .02$

 

O also...Someone said Peja is not clutch. Did anyone watch that game in this years playoffs when he and bibby went on that three point tear in the last few seconds of the game. Man if that is not clutch i dont know what the hell is. It might as well be a oddly shaped chinese looking bear. The guy does disappear in the playoffs but chalk last seasons Houdini act up to fatigue from carrying the team to 1st place for 3/4 of the season. Peja for artest would be a good deal but i doubt it happens. BTW, did ne1 see that article where peja was telling the chicago tribune (or sun-times, i forget) that he would really like to be a Bull? Thats definitely out of left field...
-erik

 

Peja for Artest would be a steal

 

he has done this more than one playoff series

has he led them to playoff wins???

 

i dont care. It was still clutch and so is he...

 

Beg to differ Cabbage. SF is a multiple 1st team all-star and one of the leagues more marketable players. I think for a team that needs to rebuild and foremost a 1st option he is much more valuable than Artest. Artest is a great defender of swigmen, but he still doesn't have the total defensive impact of say Ben Wallace (or a Hakeem, DR, young Dike, etc) and is a very inconsistent offensive player--thus making more of a role player par excellence than a cornerstone (though the fact Artest is kind of a nut case has to be considered as well, not what you generally want in star or role player).

Also, Mobley has a great contract and is pretty close to the value of AH, seeing as how S Jack was traded for Harrington strait up. Harrington is OK, but I think it is pretty obvious no he is no rising star but average to slightly above average forward. Cato's does contract doesn't look too bad after this offseason either.

At best SF-Cat-Mobes is = to Artest-AH-JF given Orlando's situation. Now if Indy offered Oneal and JF or JB for Tmac, yes then we could not compete with that valuewise except with the untouchable Yao.

 

cabbage, not that it matters anymore but artest would have to undergo major character changes in order to be able to LEAD a team to the playoffs, even in the east. the pacers are and were led by j o'neal and surrounded by strong role players. artest got away with his crap because he wasn't needed as leader. if orlando took that offer, artest is the cornerstone and would be looked upon every single game to carry that team, something i don't think any one really believes he's ready or willing to do alone.

francis on the other hand was the heart, soul, and leader of a rockets team that just made the playoffs, in the west that is, and was competitive for a spot the three previous years. with a eastern conference schedule, his rocket's teams would have made the playoffs in at least 2 other seasons prior. it's arguable that artest is of greater value than francis to an open market but as a rebuilding orlando team who needs a big boom the season right after trading t-mac, francis is the no-brainer.

 

Umm, Peja is one of the least clutch players in the league. That Minnesota-Sacramento game was a terrific game for him, but he also missed two free throws during crunch time that could have won them the game. I've seen my share of Kings games and him and Webber's late game performances leave a lot to be desired. Mike Bibby is always forced to carry them once crunch time hits.

 

great news !

Kings should get rid of Peja long time ago !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Artest is the right person for their defence !!

LOL, kings .........................

 

Pacers easily come out better in an Artest for Peja swap. O'Neal inside with Peja waiting for the kickout? That's pretty lethal.

 

I thought including Fred (not James) would make it even, but not far off.

Reasonable trade for both teams under the circumstances. I think it is more likely to blow up on Sac though. Cwebb, Artest and Bibby have some pretty big heads--could mesh great, or terribly.

 

Ron Artest wasn't so hot in the playoffs himself. He shot the ball too much when he wasn't shooting very well.

 

Nail! I think Artest is overrated. So-so shooter with a strong body. Sac is going to miss Peja's shooting ability. But Peja wants out, so ...
On the other hand, Oneal and Peja, man it's deadly. It's the 2nd coming of nash and dirk. This is why Indie jumping into the deal right away after Peja is on the block.

 

Indiana has been looking to trade Artest all summer for an All-Star. They struck out on O'Neal and TMac, and who knows if they've been talking to the Raptors, Nets, or Mavs this summer. Getting Peja would be a nice move for them.

I actually like this move a tiny bit on Sac's side too, if only because Peja seriously wants nothing to do with Webber. If he has to go, adding Artest next to Christie gives you serious stopping power when you play McGrady or Kobe. The downside is, their offense becomes shaky. Assuming Webber goes down for his usual 15 games or so, they'll be in trouble.

Evan

 

i'm excited to have peja out of the western conference!

 

Larry Legend has come out and claimed the rumor false.

Anyway, I think that the Pacers would be better off with the trade. Pure shooters like Peja have become a rarity in the league these days. More importantly they could get rid of Artest. Artest is just a disaster waiting to happen any minute. I don't doubt his talents. He's one of the very few players in the league that could literally DOMINATE a game at times (something that a player like Jermaine O'neal can't do). However the guy's got some serious issues. Simply put, Artest IS crazy (and his craziness is unlike Rasheed's; his is untreatable). I think that the Pacers will find a way to move Artest by the start of next season even if this deal doesn't happen.