Could the Rockets have a date sensitive trade on the table?

Lewis won't be traded this year to the Rockets for the deal you mentioned, that much is clear. He has no leverage right now, so why would they trade him for less value?

So we're assuming he gets traded next offseason when he's making around 10M.

Basically, he tells the Sonics to trade him to the Rockets or he'll walk after the season.

But then Lue and Daniels are gone. The TE expires. So what can we offer them? Anything we offer them is NOT better than him walking for nothing - don't forget that Jerome James, Potapenko and Ray Allen are all on their final deals RIGHT NOW, meaning they are off the books at that point in time. So the Sonics are looking at major capspace and a rebuilding project. Why would they take Howard, Spoon or MoT when they can simply let these guys walk?

So here's what CAN happen: We trade them Spoon, Pike, Gaines and 2 unprotected first rounders for Lewis. This way, they get the picks, and still get the capspace they would've wanted anyway.

For this deal to happen now? Allen isn't re-signed, they decide to rebuild immediately. So Lewis has to go, his contract doesn't fit with a rebuilding project. In this case, we have to take Lewis and Fortson while offering only 1 year contracts and maybe a 2-year contract.

How could this get done? We need a team who will give us expiring contracts for MoT (Celtics come to mind). Then in a 3-way with Seattle and this team, we send Weatherspoon for Fortson, as well as almost 7M worth of expiring contracts, Boki and Pike for Rashard Lewis.

For example:

Celtics get MoT
Rockets get Rashard Lewis and Danny Fortson
Sonics get Michael Stewart, Weatherspoon, Rick Fox, AG

We'd still need to get a PG and backup C, but we'd still have the TE, the Full MLE, and the 1.6M vet exception. We sign Steven Hunter and Travis Best for peanuts, we look like:

Yao/Hunter
Howard/Fortson
Lewis/JJ/Boki
T-Mac/JJ
Travis Best/JJ/Gaines/Wilks (play with these 4 till we get right combination)




But again. That would be subject to the Sonics suddenly deciding to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch.

 

That wasn't my point and you know it; you twisted my words just to be an ass.

If you're the Sonics, would you rather have Lewis, who's six years younger, yet to hit his prime, and a better player, or Howard, who's not very athletic and is obviously entering the backside of his career? Does the 34-year-old Jim Jackson make up the difference?

 

You're leaving a lot out. Personally, I think the deal is in our favor, but closer than you make it sound.


It's Rashard and Daniels in exchange for

A PF who just produced 17/7 last year (Rashard Lewis numbers)
A SF who is coming off a great season and has a tiny contract
A PG who makes 1.6M and comes off the books in one season
!!!The money from Fortson being gone, which is 20M over 3 years!!!

So after one moer season, all that's left is Juwan Howard's contract.

 

Time sensitive trade? Oft discussed, and probably.

I had been believing it probably translated to Howard, and still lean that way (with Mo's contract and with one seemingly having to go, JuHo is the more likely). Chicago and Sac seem awfully logical.

It is also possible that it is time sensitive from 'the trading partner', and therefore mid - September for OK date.

 

i knew the heat only had half the MLE left, but they also only had to pay him for 2 years!? damn. everyone has been hoping for another jim jackson type signing (low pay, few years, but a productive player who slips through) but i honestly didn't think those were to be had this offseason. but if that's not a jim jackson situation, then i don't know what is. i've been fairly patient i think, but we damn well better have something nice lined up if we're passing up on that type of contract, especially considering he's from houston and must've been interested in us.

 

He's (Jim Jackson) also a good ball handler & could play the pg position if need be. ???? That's it we've solved our problem no need to have this thread. No need to look for a pg.

 

You're right. If CD was looking for a value move 2 years at half the MLE for Jones would have been just right. The only sense I can make out of it is that CD does have a deal lined up to get a PG and backup C. And maybe he's holding off on using the MLE because he wants to make a full MLE offer to somebody. But the only guys left on the market that would command a full MLE would be Stromile Swift and Darius Miles.

I'd like Miles if we can get a PG via trade. He's long, athletic and can defend. His shooting is suspect, but I can totally see him and TMac causing havoc by cutting to the rim when Yao gets bottled up on the lowpost. And he'd team up fantastically on defense with TMac. They both have the tools to be lockdown guys. If JVG could work his magic then it would be scary having two awesome perimeter defenders and a massive presence in the paint.

 

A nice blend of youth and verterans is a good thing. Also, remember that our "STARS" are not old. They are the backbone of this team. W/out them, we go nowhere (McGrady/Yao). As long as they are below their prime, we can "get away" with depeding on older guys as role players.

A 32yr Barry, 29yr Daneils, or 34yr Howard and Jackson, really doesn't bother me. They are supporting players. They will do just fine on their respective teams (jsut don't build your team *around* them).

The planets (role players; regardless of their age) revolve around McGrady and Yao. Not the other way around.

 

jj hardly got criticized last season even though the rox found themselves down after an early lead because jj missed so many shots. jj was never blamed because he'd come good with his shots in the 2nd half but there was no reason why the rox had to catch up. he also a tendency to go for a shot himself rather than pass.

 

Maybe we are trading Lue for Daniels, and we are just waiting for the 60 days to run. Then I guess Mike Wilks or Charlie Ward will be our backup PG.

 

Reportedly -- Grizz want to uswe their excess to either get Curry or Dampier.

Reportedly -- they want Bonzi bye - bye.

 

Earl Watson could become expendible. How interested would we be in him?

 

Screw that...lol if we help the Griz get Dampier.... damn that would make OUR division that much tougher....

 

seattle already has a pretty full team:

swift-potapenko-james
fortson-collison-evans
shard-radman-sesay
allen-flip
AD-ridnaur


they aren't gonna want to get rid of another center because they dont know how the HS kid will work out. it looks like they would be willing to upgrade the C, and PG spot. we have neither to offer.

im giving up on seattle for this sumemr. maybe we can sign AD next offseason.

 

Well first of all, we don't want to help the Grizz at all.

Second of all, he's a poor scorer overall - his shooting, finishing and jumpshot are all weak. HIs passing skills are great, but the last thing we need is another Kelvin Cato for teams to back off of.