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That's it. The Media Bias For Kerry has Pushed Me Toward Bush

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Rileydog, Aug 3, 2004.

  1. Coach AI

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    So, in a week or so where we get:

    'Liberal' newspapers quoted as saying the DNC was ineffective
    Much uproar over the 'Shove It' comment
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    Stories on two Marines who wanted nothing to do with Kerry in a restaurant

    The media's 'pro-Kerry' bias has pushed your decision?


    Each and every story is spun a different way; often our own pre-determined bias' will help us to color each news story we see/read.

    If you really had no pro-Bush tendencies before, I'm not really sure how you come to this conclusion...

    Or maybe you should just stay away from MSNBC? :confused: :)
     
  2. aghast

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    Clearly, as demonstrated succinctly by my signature, you do not understand Kimbo Slice's agenda for his first term compared to 2004's two "candidates."

    See the following posts, and I promise you that the Kimbo Slice ticket will kick Jeb/Harris all over the place. You should get on the winning team now, Francis, while the cronyism line is now relatively short and the getting's good.


    Hangout declaration of Kimbo Slice's candidacy

    Debate & Discussion of Kimbo's perfect suitability for the national stage
     
  3. SamFisher

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    Kimbo's popularity continues to surge!

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  4. aghast

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    NO!!!!!!!!!!! Say it ain't so, Kimbo! Will Kimbo Slice go Tiger Woods on us?

    Henry Cisneros, Gary Hart, Marion Barry, now KIMBO SLICE??? All felled by the vile temptress, woman. All before reaching their rightfully deserved political destinies. 'Tis a dark day in American politics.

    If J-Lo does to Kimbo's punching what she did to Ben Affleck's box office staying power, have we seen the last of Kimbo Slice? Drained and distracted by a double-sided-taped dress, can Kimbo Slice even survive the next four years of underground fighting brutality to reach the 2008 Boise convention nomination?

    "B==ch set me up!" A dark day indeed.
     
  5. ima_drummer2k

    ima_drummer2k Member

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    For some reason after reading this particular paragraph, I invision aghast looking something like this:

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    Hello, aghast....
     
  6. aghast

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    Not unless I swallowed a clone of myself. Hair isn't curly. Don't wear glasses. And I haven't seen Sharon Stone's nether regions, live, that is. I'm still young though. Oh yeah, I'm also still young (comparatively). And my fingers don't look nearly that cool when I formulate my evil schemes.

    But other than that, spot on drummer. March on.
     
  7. Refman

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    I've been saying this for years.
     
  8. Mulder

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    Ideally, yes. But for some a candidates stance on a single issue is a deal breaker. If one can see an issue in the campaign that is like that for them, that's how they should vote. For most issues, people are lukewarm on a lot of issues, and part of that reason is because they are so complicated.
    Both parties try to find niche issues and run on those.
     
  9. bnb

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    Sometimes it's not even a single issue.
    A single sound bite seals the deal.
     
  10. rockbox

    rockbox Around before clutchcity.com

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    So Bush is a social conservative, and a fiscal liberal (record deficit, record discretionary spending). So what seems to be the issue?
     
  11. Mulder

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    Read my lips...

    It's the economy stupid...
     
  12. blackfish1

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    Come back to the flock--don't let the media biases (andthey swing both ways) deter you.

    But if you just want to have one good reason why someone should vote for Kerry rather than Bush? Try the environment.

    Bush's "Clear Skies" initiative has to be the most Orwellian oxymoron I've ever seen. Read all about it at his re-election website, then go to the Natural Resources Defence Council's website to find out what it actually means, and the lies it is based on. There's plenty of information there, and you can search Google if you don't want to believer NRDC. The "Clear Skies" initiative isn't the only black mark on Bush's environmental record-- he's done more to gut environmental policy than any other president in US history.

    http://www.nrdc.org/bushrecord>/

    Or Reason 2: The sepaeration of Church and State

    From "Faith Based Initiatives" to using churches as defacto campaign offices, George Bush has done a lot to damage the separation between church and state. Many people think that if you start spouting off about 'Separation of Church and State' you must be a Godless heathen-- not true! I say, if you value being able to worship God in the way you see fit, you should be fighting for that separation tooth and nail.

    Even the Methodist Church, of which he is a member, has criticized Bush for blurring the line: http://www.umc.org/interior_print.asp?ptid=2&mid=5228&pagemode=print

    For more on Bush and Separation of Church and State: http://www.au.org

    Kerry, on the other hand, has stated in his speeches that he respects the "beautiful line" between Church and State. From what I've gleaned off of Google, he did not support Bush's "Faith Based Initiative", and sided with the ACLU on the "under God" issue in the Pledge-- which leads me to believe he really does respect the separation of Church and State.

    So if this is an issue of yours, there's Reason Two.

    Reason 3: The Death Penalty

    The death penalty is just as divisive an issue as abortion, gay marriage, etc., but you didn't mention it, so I'll go ahead.

    If you look around the web you'll find all kinds of conservative and religious sites screaming about how John Kerry supports the killing of innocent unborn babies. Ironically, no one is screaming about Bush's undying support of the death penalty over the years. And if you've paid attention to the news at all since DNA evidence has been introduced, many death penalty convictions have been overturned, one governor stopped executions because so many convictions were turning out to be false, and it sure wasn't Bush...there's a very good chance our George killed some innocent people as the governor of TX. (Now he's just getting our soldiers killed, but that's another post)

    As governor of TX, George Bush executed 152 people, including the mentally ill and first woman executed in the state of Texas since the 1860s (who he mocked in the media by impersonating her and saying 'Please, don't kill me.) More info: http://www.bushkills.com/index.html

    Kerry, on the other hand, has always been against the death penalty, except for a post 9/11 opinion in favor of putting terrorists to death. http://www.factcheck.org/article.aspx?docID=226

    Other than during his service in Vietnam, John Kerry hasn't killed anyone.

    So, if the death penalty is an issue you care about, there's Reason Three.


    Reason 4: Civil Liberties

    When mild mannered librarians start complaining about civil liberties, you know something is wrong. http://librariansagainstbush.org/

    When you have to sign a statement saying you are a Bush supporter in order to get a ticket to a Bush/Cheney campaign rally, you know something is wrong. Security concern, my ass. http://www.abqjournal.com/elex/204620elex07-30-04.htm

    Or when you get arrested on public property for wearing an anti Bush T-Shirt? That's just really wrong. http://www.wvgazettemail.com/static/stories/2004071346.html

    I could go on and on, but the ACLU has already compiled a neat sheet of Bush's record on civil liberties. Unfortunately, it looks like it hasn't been updated since Sept. 2002, so it isn't complete. http://www.aclunc.org/911/scorecard.html

    Kerry, on the other hand, has a better record on civil liberties. Not perfect-- he did vote for the Patriot Act-- but better. At any rate, he's no friend of John Ashcroft, and that is a relief. He has stated "In my first 100 days, I will restore our commitment to civil rights and individual rights," That will begin with the appointment of "an attorney general who knows he can fight the war on terrorism without attacking America's freedoms. ... an attorney general whose name is not John Ashcroft." http://talkleft.com/new_archives/004537.html

    And so far as I know, no one has been required to sign a pro Kerry statement to attend a rally, nor has anyone been arrested for wearing a Bush T-Shirt at a Kerry rally. Yeesh.

    So, Reason Four, if civil liberties is an important issue for you

    Reason 5: Kerry is his own man
    Don't take it from me. Take it from columnist Charley Reese, who otherwise has a reputation for being extremely conservative.

    ______________________________________________
    Vote For A Man, Not A Puppet

    Americans should realize that if they vote for President Bush's re-election, they are really voting for the architects of war - Dick Cheney, Donald Rumsfeld, Paul Wolfowitz and the rest of that cabal of neoconservative ideologues and their corporate backers.

    I have sadly come to the conclusion that President Bush is merely a frontman, an empty suit, who is manipulated by the people in his administration. Bush has the most dangerously simplistic view of the world of any president in my memory. It's no wonder the president avoids press conferences like the plague. Take away his cue cards and he can barely talk. Americans should be embarrassed that an Arab king (Abdullah of Jordan) spoke more fluently and articulately in English than our own president at their joint press conference recently.

    John Kerry is at least an educated man, well-read, who knows how to think and who knows that the world is a great deal more complex than Bush's comic-book world of American heroes and foreign evildoers. It's unfortunate that in our poorly educated country, Kerry's very intelligence and refusal to adopt simplistic slogans might doom his presidential election efforts.

    But Thomas Jefferson said it well, as he did so often, when he observed that people who expect to be ignorant and free expect what never was and never will be. People who think of themselves as conservatives will really display their stupidity, as I did in the last election, by voting for Bush.

    Bush is as far from being a conservative as you can get. Well, he fooled me once, but he won't fool me twice.

    It is not at all conservative to balloon government spending, to vastly increase the power of government, to show contempt for the Constitution and the rule of law, or to tell people that foreign outsourcing of American jobs is good for them, that giant fiscal and trade deficits don't matter, and that people should not know what their government is doing.

    Bush is the most prone-to-classify, the most secretive president in the 20th century. His administration leans dangerously toward the authoritarian. It's no wonder that the Justice Department has convicted a few Arab-Americans of supporting terrorism. What would you do if you found yourself arrested and a federal prosecutor whispers in your ear that either you can plea-bargain this or the president will designate you an enemy combatant and you'll be held incommunicado for the duration?

    This election really is important, not only for domestic reasons, but because Bush's foreign policy has been a dangerous disaster. He's almost restarted the Cold War with Russia and the nuclear arms race. America is not only hated in the Middle East, but it has few friends anywhere in the world thanks to the arrogance and ineptness of the Bush administration.

    Don't forget, a scientific poll of Europeans found us, Israel, North Korea and Iran as the greatest threats to world peace.

    I will swallow a lot of petty policy differences with Kerry to get a man in the White House with brains enough not to blow up the world and us with it.

    Go to Kerry's Web site (www.johnkerry.com) and read some of the magazine profiles on him. You'll find that there is a great deal more to Kerry than the GOP attack dogs would have you believe. Besides, it would be fun to have a president who plays hockey, windsurfs, ride motorcycles, plays the guitar, writes poetry and speaks French. It would be good to have a man in the White House who has killed people face to face. Killing people has a sobering effect on a man and dispels all illusions.


    All pretty good reason to vote for Kerry, in my mind.

    Blackfish
     
  13. Mulder

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    You gotta love an issue that will bring a lurker in to post. Good one blackfish.
     
  14. SamFisher

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    The grassroots backyard undergound movement continues...

    http://p214.ezboard.com/bkimbosliceforum
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  15. kpsta

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    Hey Rileydog. I have no problem with the "media" being overly critical of the President (even Clinton or Kerry); the Monica scandal was pop-corn fodder, but that's all they could focus on at the time. What I do have a problem with are "news organizations" that are cheerleaders of for the Administration. This county belongs to the people. Not one party (Dem or Repub). And it's the media's job to be critical of them.

    So, you might dislike "FLAT OUT DECEPTION from the media." Well, I think that "FLAT OUT DECEPTION from the government" is worse.

    Keep them on their toes!
     
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  17. aghast

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    Kimbo Aza Jifunza Byrd Slice. Ahh, truly a name for the ages. He will combat racism. He will fight poverty. He will destroy the Axis of Evil. All day. All day!

    Yet he will not kick a man when he is down. And he knows when a weaker opponent, and compared to America every opponent is a weaker opponent, has had enough.

    Kimbo Aza Jifunza Byrd Slice. If I close my eyes just enough to dream, I can, yes, I can see it now: Kimbo Slice on the floor of the 2008 Boise Democratic National Convention, ready to accept the party's unanimous nomination for president.

    "Slice/Obama 2008: That's how a [guy] eats!"

    A pornographer. A fighter. But more than anything, an American.

    ===

    Oh, and blackfish, please post more often. If nothing else, it will cut off a heck of a lot of time that I spend in research.
     
  18. Refman

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    blackfish -

    You bring up some interesting points. Here's a different thought.

    Last year, I paid taxes, married with ZERO allowances. My wife did the same. At the end of the year, I had to cut the IRS a check for over $5,000.00!!!

    That's right. After Uncle Sam took "his cut" all year long, the greedy jackass fleeces me for another $5,000.00 at the end of the year.

    FACT: Under John Kerry, my tax liability would have been even higher. We as a people (at least in my household) are taxed to the damned gills. I will NEVER vote for a candidate who has flat out said he plans on raising taxes.

    No thanks...move along.
     
  19. blackfish1

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    I don't know your tax bracket, so I can't comment on that per se.
    I'm self employed so I can get hit pretty hard at tax time also, and I sympathize. I still think Kerry's plan is more responsible (which may change if he's in office, but every Prez changes their campaign promises once the reality of office hits) than W's. I don't see how anyone who deigns to call themselves conservative can vote for the man based on his economics alone, and taxes, though an issue for me, are less important than all the other issues I listed above. I would gladly keep the taxes as is or even slightly higher to have Bush gone. To me it is too important--the balance swings towards Kerry with little problem. For me it's a question of morals (Ooo...evil word.)

    Is the tax issue thedeciding factor for you?

    Blackfish
     
  20. Rocket104

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    Why is this a fact? When has Kerry said he would raise taxes?

    Now, if you are part of the top 1% he plans to raise taxes on (yes, repealing the tax cut is raising taxes), then fine. If you're not, where do you come up with the assertion?

    That being said... you do realize that it is not the President who ultimately changes the tax code but the Congress, right? The President may try to press certain issues, but the Congress makes the call.

    I never understand how people can say taxes would go up under Kerry - there is NO WAY that would happen. That's political suicide.
     

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