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Fred VanVleet | Eye Test: FFS ~~~ Advanced Stats: Elite

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by kennysmith, Jul 1, 2023.

  1. kennysmith

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    Career high in APG last year

    Raps in 92nd percentile when he was on the floor
    https://theathletic.com/4657379/2023/06/30/fred-vanvleet-rockets-free-agency/

    For me, I think it is an overpay, BUT when you have sacked for years, you MUST overpay. If we get 30-40 wins this year, it significantly improves our young prospects and the possibilities for roster moves going forward.

    We had to do something in terms of adding vets, a PG was our biggest need, step 1 solved. Next.
     
  4. Arnel

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    Yup, on to the next one. Bring in the Brook
     
  5. kennysmith

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    :Trust the model

    Eye test says overpay, but the model says he's Devin Booker (both @ 2.9 VORP)
     
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    Rated worse than FVV in VORP in 2023: PG13, Edwards, LaVine, Jaylen Brown, Fox, Bridges
     
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    It was an overpay but that's just the Tilman tax. Any free agent that signs here will have to be overpaid. That's just how it'll be till we repair our reputation around the league. The fact that we still have 25M to spend on another guys means we can easily afford it.
     
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    He is, yes, I was looking at these stats too.
    Elite among PGs in TO%, high FTr for a non-athletic short guy, decent rebounding %

    But here’s what[s most impressive:
    #10 in the entire NBA in STL%
    With Eason and FVV we have two top10 guys in STL% and Whitmore was #1 in the NCAA. Very interesting potential in being a problem on D and forcing TOs as a team.
     
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    Gonna post this in the Switch Defense thread

    I am interested

    Rocket River
     
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    So what do the Tillman is cheap guys have to say? He also is working on the new practice facility.
     
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    Yall are gonna make me VORP with all these analytical terms.
     
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    Toronto fans are all pretty happy that he’s gone. I don’t follow the Raptors but this worries me.
     
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    Good catch OP, I need him to replicate or improve on these numbers to truly justify it. Or if we reach the playoffs all of it will be successful regardless.

    Either way, an overpay was okay if we hit our team goals, if he reaches or improves on those numbers that would be great as well.
     
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    Because he is about as good as he will ever be which is ok, and borderline all star, but not really anything special.

    However, we need his leadership, and we overpaid for it, but that is what you have to do to leave tankville USA......I don't like the third year, but it will be an expiring at worse....

    So, here we go, let's hope he turns out to be like Lowry did for us.

    DD
     
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    I love these threads where the title is longer than the post.
     
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    Whether a guy is a max guy or not depends not just his skills but also a team's situations. He's a clear max guy for Rockets at this point in time. After 3 years when (hopefully) our younger guys come into their own and establish themselves, we need real big time max guys to hopefully then making deep playoff runs. Right now, we're just trying to establish a direction
     
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    Most rocket fans would trade Sengun before Green. Sports fans in general are not the brightest bunch.
     
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    Because they didn't want to pay a guy who is a fringe all star and has reached his ceiling franchise player money. Plus he can't shoot.
     
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    a solid, unemotional, logical, take from DD!
     
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