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Kerry Raps Bush on Initial 9/11 Inaction

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  1. IROC it

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    link to the story

    Kerry Raps Bush on Initial 9/11 Inaction

    John Kerry said Thursday he would have jumped into action more quickly than President Bush did on Sept. 11, 2001, raising the stakes in the political fight over terrorism as Bush warned that the United States can't afford to "grow timid and weary and afraid" in Iraq or elsewhere.

    The Democratic challenger said he'd never waver
    "I can fight a more effective, smarter and better war on terror that actually makes America safer," Kerry told Missouri voters.

    Disputing that vow was a group of Vietnam veterans who unveiled a television ad challenging Kerry's medal-winning service in the war. Another veteran, Republican Sen. John McCain, put the president on the spot by urging the White House to condemn the "dishonest and dishonorable" commercial.

    Bush's spokesman declined to do so.

    Again, war and terrorism dominated a campaign day, with Bush trying to rekindle the rally-around-the-president passions that pushed his popularity to record heights after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Kerry, tied or slightly ahead of Bush in most polls, hopes to erase the president's advantages on issues of terrorism and national security after making gains during last week's Democratic National Convention.

    Before leaving the White House for Ohio and Michigan, Bush signed a $417.5 billion wartime defense bill providing an additional $25 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan, body armor for troops and reinforced Humvee vehicles. Kerry, a four-term Massachusetts senator, missed the votes on the bill.

    Thrusting the administration's terrorism-fighting efforts into the spotlight, the Justice Department announced that two leaders of a mosque in Albany, N.Y., were arrested in an alleged plot involving a scheme to buy a shoulder-fired missile. Some Democratic critics have accused the administration of orchestrating the release of terrorism alerts and arrests to maximize their political benefits, a charge denied by the White House.

    Addressing minority journalists in the nation's capital, Kerry was asked what he would have done as president the moment he received word of the attacks on the World Trade Center. Bush spent seven minutes listening to "The Pet Goat" being read at a Florida elementary school after his chief of staff, Andrew Card, whispered, "America is under attack," as televisions cameras recorded the anxious scene.

    "I would have told those kids very politely and nicely that the president of the United States had something that he needed to attend to,"[b/] Kerry said before flying to Missouri to resume his cross-country campaign trip. "And I would have attended to it."

    Former New York Mayor Rudolph Giuliani came to Bush's defense, accusing Kerry of taking cues from moviemaker Michael Moore, whose documentary "Fahrenheit 9/11" questions the president's immediate reaction to the attacks.

    "John Kerry is an indecisive candidate who has demonstrated an inconsistent position on the war on terror, who voted against funding for our troops at war and who cannot give a clear answer on his position concerning the decision to remove Saddam Hussein,"
    the Republican said.

    Kerry suggested that Bush wasn't up to the task. "Americans want to know that the person they choose as president has all of the skills and the ability, all of the mental toughness, all of the gut instinct necessary to be a strong commander in chief," he said, adding that there is a "clear choice" between Bush and himself.

    "I come to the job of commander in chief with the rare, gratefully, but important experience of having fought in a war," Kerry said. "And I believe we need a commander in chief who understands the test before you send young people to war."

    Bush served stateside in the Texas Air National Guard during the Vietnam War.

    Kerry often suggests that a wartime president needs war experience, but the remark carried extra weight Thursday as a group of fellow veterans questioned his combat credentials.

    "When the chips were down, you could not count on John Kerry," says Larry Thurlow, one of several veterans who criticizes Kerry in a new 60-second ad.

    Thurlow didn't serve on Kerry's swiftboat, but says he witnessed the events that led to Kerry winning a Bronze Star and the last of his three Purple Hearts. Kerry's crewmates support the candidate and call him a hero.

    "I deplore this kind of politics," McCain told The Associated Press. McCain, chairman of Bush's Arizona campaign, compared the ad to tactics used by Bush supporters against him during the bitterly contested 2000 GOP presidential primaries.

    White House spokesman Scott McClellan did not denounce the ad
    only the form of financing behind it. "The president thought he got rid of this unregulated soft money when he signed the bipartisan campaign finance reform into law," McClellan said. A chief sponsor of that bill, which Bush initially opposed, was McCain.

    Bush made his second visit to Ohio in less than a week and fifth visit to Michigan in the last four weeks
    a measure of how important the two states and their combined 37 electoral votes are to both candidates. They need 270 votes to win.

    "People of Iraq are watching carefully right now," Bush said in Ohio. "Are we going to be a country of our word when we say people should be free
    that we're willing to stand by our word? Or are we going to grow timid and weary and afraid of the barbaric behavior of a few?"

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    Way to think for yourself there, Kerry. So much for "distancing yourself" from the dirty politics and the Hollywood spin cycle.

    Somebody didn't listen to his wifey now did he? (Like she really meant it anyway.)
     
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  3. underoverup

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    How is Kerry playing dirty politics by reassuring the nation that he won't continue to sit and read a child’s book while the country is under attack? Moore was hardly the first person to bring up Bush's 'deer gaze into headlights' reaction to a terrorist attack, so you’re wrong on that point.

    Let's consider for a moment that Moore was the first person to criticize Bush's reaction to the 9/11 attacks (he wasn’t not even close). Would this in anyway alter the fact that Bush sat reading to schoolchildren while passenger jets slammed into buildings around the country? Do you think that Moore slowed time down to make Bush appear to read the book longer?

    What a decisive leader --- read to school kids or make split second decisions to save the nation. Unfortunately for Bush that’s a tough choice.
     
  4. Smokey

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    The Pet Goat :D
     
  5. IROC it

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    How is Kerry going to "fight a more effective, smarter and better war on terror that actually makes America safer," by missing "the votes on the bill" that provided "an additional $25 billion for Iraq and Afghanistan, body armor for troops and reinforced Humvee vehicles?"

    :confused:

    No vote = a vote of "no." :mad: "Support our troops" there, John? :mad:
     
  6. FranchiseBlade

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    Kerry has already layed out his plan.
     
  7. IROC it

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    Right. Stonewall. Miss votes. Hamper the current admin, so he can be "daddy." :mad: Is "lil' Flip" at it again?
     
  8. Faos

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    It's so easy now to sit back and say " I would have done this and that" after the fact.

    I bet Kerry would have pulled out his trusty 8mm camera and shot film of himself telling the kids he had to leave, looking like a true hero again.
     
  9. FranchiseBlade

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    What's the matter Faos? Didn't you see my link earlier debunking the whole 8mm fiasco? Or do you just want to try and continue using misinformation in order to smear a candidate?
     
  10. FranchiseBlade

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    No it's been discussed here before, and is available at his website.
     
  11. IROC it

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    I just discussed what's happening in the here and now. His website has a proposal.

    We all know he constantly changes his mind. :rolleyes:

    The issue should be current voting record in the senate... that is his current job. Grade at current job? D-
     
  12. Preston27

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    I think Bush's immediate reaction to the attacks was appropriate, but the Iraq situation is where he went wrong. Iraq was not an imminent threat to us, but he sent troops over anyway while there were troops in Afghanistan already, burning several bridges between us and our allies in the process.
     
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    Tell me - when the producers of the Sunday morning political talk shows call you begging for an appearance, how do you turn them down? Are you polite, curt, apologetic, gentle but firm?

    Or do you refer all calls to your agent?
     
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    I wouldn't try and use any of your tactics. :p
     
  15. Faos

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    I guess I missed it. Did Snopes debunk that too?

    I'll stand by my information.
     
  16. SamFisher

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    Go back to civics 101, then pay closer attention when you get to the section on legislation.

    Then maybe you can come back and contribute something useful; thus far you're rivaling somebody else in your lack of proficiency in such matters as politics, economics, etc...though you're about as prolific as he is.
     
  17. Rocketman95

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    That's better than the F from our brave soldier who volunteered for service in Vietnam. Oh wait, he's neither brave nor did he volunteer. He still gets the F, though. Coward.
     
  18. giddyup

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    You do know that such grading is entirely subjective?
     
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    i couldn't believe my ears when i heard him say this on the news....what a moron
     
  20. Rocketman95

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    Wow, really? :eek:

    You really can't fault Bush for this...he just wanted to hear how the story ended.
     

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