I've always learned that after you do a jumpstop you no longer have a pivot foot but this article right here shows otherwise. http://www.coachesclipboard.net/JumpStop.html Which is correct??
Yeah, I have seen Tim Duncan using a pivot foot after executing a jump stop move several times. Everytime I use that move in Gregory in UT, i have been called for traveling violation. My favorite move was taken away by uneducated basketball players!!!!
But then what about this rule then?? Because I believe there are different types of jumpstops?? I'm so confused now. Which Foot is the Pivot Foot? Which foot is the "pivot" foot is totally a matter of where the player was (relative to a position on the floor) when that player gained control of the ball or ended a dribble. If a player receives the ball or ends a dribble with both feet on the floor, either foot may become the pivot. Once one foot is lifted, the other foot is the pivot foot. If a player gains control or ends a dribble while moving, that player may stop and, in doing so, establish a pivot. If both feet were off the floor, and if that player lands on both feet simultaneously, either foot may become the pivot. Once one foot is moved, the other is the pivot. If both feet were off the floor, and if that player lands on one foot followed by the other, the first foot to touch the floor would become the pivot foot. (The rule book recognizes that momentum may prevent a player from coming to an abrupt stop. For this reason, provision is made for someone who, having landed on one foot, leaves the floor and lands again on both feet simultaneously. In this instance, the player may not pivot. Movement of either foot beyond the limits, outlined later in this article, would constitute travelling). If one foot is on the floor when that player gains control or ends a dribble, two legal means of coning to a stop are possible. He may either bring his other foot to the floor (and thereby stop), or momentum may cause him to jump off the foot that is already on the floor and land on both feet simultaneously. In the former case, the foot which was on the floor is the pivot foot. In the latter instance, no pivot is allowed.
http://www.nba.com/analysis/rules_10.html?nav=ArticleList Section XIV-Traveling ******************************* That should solve problems with the NBA version of traveling (like there is one). I think 99.9% of the time if someone were to try to do a pivot off of a jumpstop someone would make the call of traveling. It is an interesting rule nonetheless.
so in any jumpstop you can have a pivot as long as it's the right pivot foot? There is no such thing as no pivot foot off a jumpstop?
I think it depends. If you are receiving a pass and do a jumpstop on the catch, you still have the ability to use a pivot foot before putting the ball on the floor. However, if you are doing one of those "pro hops" where you're going into the lane and doing a jumpstop off the dribble, you no longer can use a pivot foot.
Yikes, my second mistake of the night. Maybe I should go back to lurking. While nothing is specifically stated in the rule book, I think the two count rhythm in coming to a stop, passing or shooting the ball applies. The two count rhythm should include the jump stop technique, and from that, a person can interpret the rules. However, that does not really answer the question directly, so don't take my answer to be correct.
It's such a tough move to call because my friend uses it all the time yet he pivots after the jumpstop after making his moves towards the basket. We call it on him and he goes beserk.
Anyone who doesn't believe the move is a walk should take a look at a tape of themselves performing the "move." Coming to a jumpstop, faking with your upper body, and then stepping forward to take off on a jump with yr left foot (assuming that you are a righty) ... it's not even close.
I couldn't agree more. If there were such a thing as time travel and you could bring some NBA officials from the 50's, 60's, or 70's into this millenium they'd call it a walk 100% of the time. I'm not exactly sure when the officials started swallowing their whistles on this move. After being a huge Old School fan I wandered away from the game for a long time and started watching again in the mid 90's. At first, I thought it was a "Star" move that the officials were allowing. Then I noticed everyone got away with it. IMHO, allowing it has harmed the game more than helped it. It's just another factor in why many of today's players have flash without substance.
So you're saying the jumpstop has ruined the game or that they allow you to jumpstop and pivot that has ruined the game? In other words the dribble 2 count, umpstop, pivot is legal?
I remember when I was reading PS Magazine's review of Live 2004, and they were talking about the new features, they said something like "one new move that has been added is the always-convenient jumpstop (known to most NBA fans as traveling)" I've always looked at it as traveling myself, but I still use it whenever I play basketball because people don't usually call it.
The jumpstop unfortunately is legal but are you able to pivot either foot after you come to a jumpstop??
If you are dribbling and come to a "jump stop", that is a pro hop, and no you should not be able to use a pivot foot afterwards. However if you are reciving a pass and while the ball is in the air, your feet are in the air you can establish a pivot foot and make a move from there. Unless I am wrong that may be why people get confused on this issue. A jump stop and pro hop are two diffrent things.
We need to make a clear distinction on what happened before the jump stop. 1) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while both feet are off the floor, land with both feet AT THE SAME TIME ... you have not established your pivot foot ... you can choose either one as your pivot and step with the other one. 2) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while both feet are off the floor, land with one foot, then take a hop and land with both feet AT THE SAME TIME ... you no longer has a pivot foot ... If either foot gets off the floor and the ball is not released in the same move, it is a travel. Sometimes Shaq makes the 1st move, sometimes the 2nd. He gets away without being called more often than not because the refs confuse the 2 moves. The following are not jump stop but are listed for completeness. 3) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while both feet are off the floor, land with one foot, then take a hop and land (not with both feet at the same time like in 2)) with one foot and then the other, it is a travel. (This is disallowed because of 4). 4) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while both feet are off the floor, land with one foot and the other ... you HAVE established the first foot as pivot foot ... you can only step with the second one. 5) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while one foot is ON the floor, you have established that foot as the pivot foot .... you can only step with the other one. 6) If you finish the dribble, catch the ball while both feet are on the floor, you have NOT established your pivot foot ... you can choose either.
Wrong forum? people could go back and forth about this til the cows come home and not come to an agreement. yeah there are rules de jure, but then there are rules de facto. technically, okay it's travelling. but you see this all the time with no call. watch marbury or parker drive into the lane, do a jump stop, land on both feet, let their man go flying by, then immediately pivot and put up a teardrop floater. seen this many times, sweet move, no call. play a pick up game (depending on where you play, i guess), and try getting away with calling this kind of ticky tack stuff, though it may be "officially" correct. kick-balls are another example. technically, according to the rules, the kick has to be intentional, but you see it called all the time even when it is clear the violator had no intention of kicking the ball; sometimes the violator has no idea where the ball is. my opinion, rules are arbitrary. as long as everyone plays with the same interpretation, regardless of how far off that interpretation is technically from the "official" rules, then you go with that. de facto over de jure, within reason. similar to language, arbitrary is ok, just as long as it's homogeneously arbitrary.
if this were strictly enforced, players would have to find a whole new way of finishing fast breaks with layups/dunks.
No pivot, the jumpstop establishes both feet as a pivot foot anything other than a jump to shoot is traveling. At least that is how I understand it. DD
