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Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Jeremy Williams, Sep 12, 2020.

  1. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    He was selling his wine and signing bottles at Specs
     
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    If Luhnow was still here this wouldn't be an issue. Although he was an analytics guy he was willing to think outside the box. Click did a good job of adding to Luhnows work. Let's see how Brown does, unfortunately it doesn't look like he's got the power to reign Dusty in
     
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    If Luhnow was still here this wouldn't be an issue. Although he was an analytics guy he was willing to think outside the box. Click did a good job of adding to Luhnows work. Let's see how Brown does, unfortunately it doesn't look like he's got the power to reign Dusty in.
     
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    I'm more concerned in making sure Brown can keep the MLB version of Isiah Thomas in check.
     
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    marks0223 2017 and 2022 World Series Champions
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    Did you buy any of his wine? If so, any good?
     
  6. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Will break open only if we make another World Series.
     
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    If Luhnow was still here, I'd have expected by this point he would have been the full executive president of baseball operations, and they'd have another GM in place handling the day to day stuff. In fact, didn't that already happen in 2019?
     
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    If thats the reasoning, I wouldn't then... aged from the 2023 "**** we barely made it" barrel. Taste that much better down the line...
     
  9. SuraGotMadHops

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    There are a lot of reasons the Astros are where they are right now, one of them is Dusty's lineup decisions IMO, but much more of it is due to poor offseason moves that are not bearing any fruit, underperformance of players that should be doing much better, and of course, injuries. All that said, we are STILL in playoff contention.

    In other words, I am not so certain a different manager right now would make that much of a difference, the other factors to me play a much bigger role in the team not dominating like we want them to and expect them to.
     
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    When they originally hired Dusty I didn't want him, now that he's been here for a while I still don't want him.
     
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    I heard he uses inferior grapes, leaves the best ones on the vine to rot
     
  12. Houstunna

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    Mets getting all the HP favoritism

    Every bad call has been Mets favor, both pitchers

    At least 3 I've seen so far
     
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    Houstunna Mr Graphix
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    McGill is more wild than Javy

    WP's advances runners and Bregs comes thru

    Astros up 2-0
     
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    In his 3 previous seasons: 1 ALCS loss (in 7 games), 1 WS loss, 1 WS win. WTF do you want? Line-ups you think are correct because you are a baseball expert?
     
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    Great defensive play by Bregman to retrieve the ball in the outfield

    Altuve makes an error but it was a tough throw

    Still a chance to hold them scoreless here
     
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    Not sure, but I know Luhnow wouldn't have signed Montero to that deal.
     
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    Y'all got room on the fire baker bandwagon for me?
     
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    Do you think another manager would've played Diaz more, or batted Pena 2nd? Or not played Maldy as much when they're carrying 3 catchers? All of this could've added up to 3-4 more wins and the Stros would be on the Rangers heels. Not to mention it took Dusty far too long to figure out Montero doesn't have it this yr. He should've gotten the Stanek treatment. This isn't 2nd guessing either.
     
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    Yes, I specifically said Dusty's lineup decisions are a contributing factor.
     
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    Yep.

    Here is your list of guys by PA and their corresponding OPS+ (this is what drives many so insane about Dusty)

    Bregman- 323- 103

    Abreu- 301- 63

    Tucker- 300- 117

    Pena- 292- 96

    Yordan- 242- 166

    Dubon- 239- 96

    Meyers- 205- 88

    Julks- 200- 90

    Maldy- 189- 56

    Chas- 146- 111

    Diaz- 122- 117

    Altuve- 100- 120

    Hensley- 86- 32



    Maldy, Julks, Hensley and abreu have stolen 180 AB's from Diaz. He could/should have played almost every single day due to having at least a 50/50 split at catcher, plus D and 1B every day he's not catching (minus normal rest) and he should have been hitting at the top half of the order.

    Chas also has probably had 150 AB's stolen from him as well. If you replace 350 PA's this year with your 111 and 117 OPS guys and that comes at the expense of your 32, 56, 63 and 90 OPS guys you are talking about way more production. Altuve could have 120 PA's instead of 100 but that's quibbling. Dubon is probably about right on PA's but those should come spread over more games at the expense of Abreu, while hitting lower in the lineup.

    Basically Subtract the following PA from these guys and we are good:

    Maldy- 100, Abreu- 100 (this still leaves him playing 2/3 plus of the time), Julks- 100, Hensley 50 and give them to Diaz and Chas and I bet we've scored something like 20 or 26 more runs right now. Which would mean probably 3 more wins. Which would have us knocking on the door of 1st place and feeling a lot better about ourselves. This is the cost of playing the wrong guys all the time and hitting them in the wrong order
     
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