If Local Radio guys are saying that we won't have his Bird rights next year, they are incorrect. A renouncement only removes Bird rights for one year. It does not start them back from scratch. The right for his Prior Team (the Rockets) to sign Dream using Bird exceptions is restored the following summer, as long as he does not change teams via free agency or waiver, in between. I think they are confusing "renouncing" with "waiving." Hell, you can even renounce a renouncement. [This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 25, 2001).]
Hey...speaking of Houston sports radio guys...does anyone know if I can access Houston Sports Talk on the internet. Being up here in NJ, all I get to listen to are calls about the stinkin Mets. They all want to know who the Mets can get via trade to bat behind Todd Zeile and crap like that. You know who bats behind Todd Zeile??? The other team...that's who! ------------------ I'm off like a prom dress!!!
That's not my argument. My "argument" is let negotiations play out, don't make character assasinations, and don't comment on things you don't know. This is a contract negotiation, nothing more. How cold is that logic? And gimme a break, I'm just playing around w/RM95.
TheFreak: Then why mention so often how many championships he's won for Houston? ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
The Rockets organization obviously aren't doing everything they can to keep Hakeem. 4.1 mil is an insulting offer. They can afford more, and still bring back the other FA's. They may have only made this offer so they can start low, and negotiate up, which I hope is the plan. That way everyone compromises. But to say the only person holding things up is Hakeem is ridiculous. I grant you he's being somewhat unreasonable, but so are the Rockets. It goes both ways. ------------------ [This message has been edited by sleepyfloyd (edited July 25, 2001).]
It seems from what I've read so far, the only reason for not renouncing Dream is out of respect or fear that he might be insulted. My prediction is that he'll sign with us and everything will work out. Just not as fast as we would like. ------------------
Maybe Bull and Dream are in this together!! Remember all this crap? They got a deal working where Dream gets big bucks and then slides some Bull's way. rH ------------------ visit: The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love! join the club! Rockets Psychedelic Groove House Club on Yahoo! Stop annoying X10 ads! This link will set a cookie on your system that will disable X10 ads for one year! GO ROCKETS... and if you must, Go Hakeem! [This message has been edited by rockHEAD (edited July 26, 2001).]
Hottoddie, this is actually a myth. Feigan is getting it wrong, too, because Coon's CBA FAQ is poorly written regarding this. Coon never needs to say, "if you fall below the cap by the combined amount of your exceptions." This is causing confusion. The correct way to say it is "if you fall below the cap, you lose your exceptions." Why am I convinced that Coon is using a poor explanation? Because he also says that all those exception count as salary towards the cap. We are led to believe we can count exceptions towards salary, and still fall below the cap and retain the exceptions to some extent. That is not true. Here is the explanation from the raw CBA text. So, how is that for confusing. It says that Exceptions count as salary, yet it excludes the amount to determine if you get them. To me, this is needless legal jargon. By subtracting exceptions from a salary calculation to see if you would be under the by their combine amount to determine if you get them simply says to me that they are doing a simple math calculation to determine if you get the exceptions. This is legalese. In such writings, every word is chosen and scrutinized. Note the "that would be included in Team Salary." That is a carefully chosen phrase that is the key to the whole confusion. Excpetion are Team Salary, when you have them. Whether you get them is determined by doing a calculation that exludes them from your cap obligations to see how far below the cap you would be if they were excluded from Salary. That is a bassackwards way to say it. It is much easier to always say they count as salary until such time that you fall below the cap. That is a much easier way to say it. I am left thinking that this weird wording covers some rare misinterpretation that the lawyers discovered when writing this thing. btw: I am requesting that Larry reconsider his wording. We'll see what he does. [This message has been edited by crispee (edited July 25, 2001).]
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hey scar... wanna get rid of them for ten years? copy the link and instead of 365, add a 0, 3650!! hahaha Screw X10!!! hahaha rH ------------------ Updated: The Psychedelic Groove House of Rockets Basketball Love! join the club! Rockets Psychedelic Groove House Club on Yahoo! Stop annoying X10 ads! This link will set a cookie on your system that will disable X10 ads for one year! GO ROCKETS... and if you must, Go Hakeem!
It's funny the way different people interpret Bullards comments. The people that are on the 'hate Hakeem bandwagon' cheer Bullard, and seem to think that Bullard really let dream have it. To me, it looked like he's just anxious to get on with all the business so he can know more about his own future. I don't blame him, but I also don't think this was a case of him letting Hakeem have it. It didn't really insult Dream at all. ------------------
There's a "hate Hakeem band-wagon?" I hadn't seen it yet. All the people who think that anyone who makes a criticism is "hatin'" seriously need to grow up. ------------------ Clutchcity.net... source for all your Rockets, Astros, political, music, humor, and Gordita news.
Hey Crispee, Thanks for the clarification. Do you know if the Rocket's have formally renounced LOS yet? If they haven't, then the only modification to my proposed scenario would be to renounce just Dream & Bull at first(which would keep us above the cap at $43,936,382), resign MO, then renounce LOS & then resign Bull, Moochie, & Shandon to the numbers that I stated originally & we're back in business. However, if they've already, formally renounced LOS, then I've wasted part of my life proposing this. Wait a minute, I don't have a life. Depending on the answer to the last question, can you see any other reasons why this wouldn't work? ------------------ A man convinced against his will, is of the same opinion still.
DOD, I guess we should all withdraw our criticisms and displeasure with Scottie Pippen from 99 when he lashed out at Charles Barkley. After all, Pippen was on the team, so he earned the right to trash Barkley and all of us Rockets fans were just "internet jocks" with no right to voice opinions on anything related to the Rockets. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
TheFreak: Keep preaching bro. You are the last voice of reason on this BBS just about when it comes to this issue. I can't belive everyone here gives freakin Matt Bullard the benefit of the doubt when it comes to his comments (that they are not selfish in nature: Sign your damn contract Hakeem, so i can GET MINE), but when it comes to Hakeem he is the greedy, selfish whiner for asking for more money than Todd McCullough just signed for. Then again, on this BBS, a few weeks ago, people were saying how much of a team player David Robinson was, how he wasn't going to screw the Spurs over like Hakeem was doing to the Rockets. Funny how all that talk died down when Robinson signed for $10 MIL a year and personally rode Derek Anderson out of town. ------------------ Get Cato out of there...
It's widely speculated that Bullard will get the $1 million veteran minimum, regardless of what Dream does, so there goes your theory. Most people are pissed that Dream is taking his sweet ass time. Nearly every other free agent out there as signed, and hardly any have the potential impact on how a team will sign other free agents as Dream is. I love and will always love Dream, but that doesn't mean he can live without criticism. ------------------ When you make an assumption, you make an ass out of Uma Thurman.
Interesting... On one hand, My "argument" is let negotiations play out, don't make character assasinations, and don't comment on things you don't know...." Yet, at the same time, you attack Bullard's character without knowing everything involved... "Hurry up and sign your contract, so I can sign mine." What the hell is that? It appears there, you've made your own share of judgements on Bullard. Does no-character-assassination and not-commenting-on-things-you-don't-know apply ONLY to Hakeem? Are we allowed to determine Bullard's motivation, but not Olajuwon's? ------------------ http://www.swirve.com ... more fun than a barrel full of monkeys and midgets.
This is crazy, the more time this drags on the less options the guys who are waiting have. This is not the same FA free-for-all that we have seen in the past and the guys who are patiently waiting are going to see their bargaining power drop the longer this plays out. Either they or their agents are going to get to a point where they say enough is enough and start serious negotiations elsewhere. Having been a fan of Houston sports my whole life I have seen Hakeem from his days at UH through now and seems like he is coming full circle. He is going end up returning to the rep he had in the 80's as an arrogant, selfish, egotist. Those of you who have followed Houston sports for the last 15 years will probably remember this. As has been mentioned before, he doesn't care about the salary cap and it's effect on the team, he is an intelligent guy and he damn well knows there are constraints on teams due to this. That is selfish. As much as the Rockets owe any kind of success they have had to Dream in the past, they do not owe him the future of the team. No matter what tone Bullard took when he made his statements, he is right. And he does have every right to speak his mind on this because this affects the team, the other players and yes, him. Someone mentioned professional courtesy regarding Bull keeping quiet during someone else's contrac negotiations, well where the hell is Hakeem's professional courtesy while these other 4 guys sit and wait on him to figure what he is going to do. As much I want Dream to play for the Rockets next year, b/c I think he can still contribute and it will be unnatural to see him in another uni, IMO, the Rockets should go ahead and renounce him, sign everyone else and if Dream is not signed after that offer him whatever is left. ------------------
crispee.. thanks for the info.. maybe i misunderstood what was be said or something.. it sounded like from the way that i understood it that we dont' want to renounce him because of the bird rights issue.. sounds like that isn't the case though.. so why dont we just renounce him..? other than it might hurt his feelings and make him leave.. ------------------ Shane "Save Our Rockets" "Life without basketball in Houston........without an arena that is what it will be" [This message has been edited by Rocket Fan (edited July 25, 2001).]
