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What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

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  1. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    I think this might be a big step back for all EVs, as the article mentions GM saving 400 million by not building out charging infrastructure.

    Adoption rates in EVs will die out if lines for charging stations all end up like gas stations in the 70s. Unless another battery breakthrough occurs in charging speeds or capacity/efficiency, I feel this is what will limit EV sales.
     
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  2. Sajan

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    When???

    All this fanboism and you don't even own one?
     
  3. Sajan

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    What will the rest of the EV players do?
    Lucid/Rivian?

    Will other legacy follow? Kia/VW/Stellantis

    Toyota is probably building out some hydrogen station by themselves LOL.
     
  4. Space Ghost

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    You should be a little more forward thinking. We have gas stations because it is difficult to transport and store tens of thousands of gallons of gas. Electricity doesn't need to be stored. Its provided everywhere.

    There will of course still be charging stations, but the bulk of the demand will be offloaded to home premises, work premises, restaurant shopping centers and grocery lots. Most EV companies will not be in the game of providing charging stations. The idea that they should is really dumb. Tesla is doing it because they are boostrapping the industry.
     
  5. Space Ghost

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    In time. Model 3 and Model Y are too small. Cyber truck is an option if its not too hideous. And I am happy with my paid off vehicle.
     
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    GM announced they'll have all their chargers Universal from now on alongside tesla. I don't think people realize how huge of a deal this is moving forward. This will be looked at a turning point in history which will make lives easier for consumers.

    The only reason GM is doing this is because the biden folks forced them



    @AroundTheWorld good policy is always important over corporate profits
     
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  7. Sajan

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    Don’t get to thinking these companies are doing this out of the goodness of their heart. They’re doing it to get government funding but as long as the consumers win I don’t give a crap.

    It’s also kind of funny how Tesla fan boys didn’t believe competition existed but as soon as they started agreements with Tesla alll of a sudden it’s a big deal.
    You mean the same GM that sold 2 hummers??
     
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    You're making my point for me. Policy matters. The only reason GM capitulated is because they're literally getting it subsidized by the government.

    Obama admin failed in the smartphone rollout. Government regulations can help for consumers.
     
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    No idea why @astros123 is turning that into a political discussion. I have been driving EVs for the last 7 years or so (first a small BMW i3s, then a Tesla Model 3, now a Tesla Model Y). Also supposedly getting all my power (both for the entire household and the car, which we charge in our garage) from FPL (Florida energy company) 100 % from solar sources. I didn't need someone else to force me to do it.
     
  10. Space Ghost

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    All sarcasm aside, competition is coming.

    GM and Ford didn't roll over because the Biden administration forced them to. GM, Ford and the Biden administration fully realized Tesla was quickly out pacing them. Standards were needed and that is the big deal. Its those who believed Ford, GM, Rivian and Lucid Air would put Tesla out of business are the ones behind the curve. These same people still believe the EV market will follow ICE trends such as using traditional fueling stations to charge EV's.

    Tesla still has plenty of hurdles to solve and GM and Ford will have to solve these challenges too. The dealership distribution model is pretty much going the way of the dodo. Maintenance and repair is a significant hurdle.
     
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    Because to flight climate change we need to do it in scale. Its great that you have the resources and money to do it before but the average american cant. We will never win the war against climate change if its not done by price instead of fear mongering. We need to drive down cost for us to transition smoothly.

    Having a universal standard makes the transition easier and helps drive down cost. It all comes to down cost
     
  12. Space Ghost

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    Yes, subsidies are setting the standard. Tesla obviously had the superior solution. Dont believe for a second the Biden administration favored the winner.
     
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    Some don't practice what they preach. I don't preach, but I practice it.
     
  14. Space Ghost

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    We should be encouraging EV adoption to reduce emissions and pollution, not because of 'climate change'.
     
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    Tesla wouldnt be here today if it wasnt for the obama subsidies. It all goes round and round.

    The bottom line is that this great news for ev car owners. Rejoice in good government action.
     
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    One of the most underrated parts thats not being discussed is the block grants for independent business to apply to install EV charger. If you are a local business or restaurant you can apply to get funding to have a EV charger installed at your business. This is what is needed the most if were being serious about EV. We need a massive rollout of convenient charging systems wherever we go. Salon, mall, resataurants, bars, clubs, etc.

    Americans are lazy and need things made as easy as possible. im happy the admin is pushing it.
     
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    Is it though?
     
  18. Space Ghost

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    I think we should refine the topic.

    Which vehicles can you purchase directly from the factory?

    CDG is largely referring to purchasing a vehicle sight unseen. I wouldn't purchase a vehicle sight unseen unless it was direct from the factory.
     
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    Ive been looking into it. Tesla offers loans? Or should I go to a credit union?
     
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