absolutely . I assume you mean either 6 or 11 . Both 6 and 11 on its face is prolly more than fair value for 4 . and I really like suggs . He showed some growth last year and could blossom into a really nice player . 11 and suggs would be tough 6 and suggs would be no brainer for me . If you get suggs maybe you can move green for a proven vet and establish more of a defensive culture and playing through bigs . Imagine we get lucky and get 6 and suggs . Can you get memphis to move off Bane for Green ? Suggs Bane Tari Bari Sengun you still have # 6 and tate and garuba and JC and nets picks and ~ 60 mil cap
you seem eager to get rid of Green. you don’t think Green can be a better player than Bane in 1-2 years?
I don't think KPJ and Johnson are equally valued players. For me they aren't at least. Johnson would fit in perfectly in a starting lineup with Fultz, Wagner, Banchero and Carter. That's a team I think makes the playoffs next season.
I think he could ... but i wouldnt say its guaranteed. I really like Bane. I think he's not done improving and hes miles ahead defensively. Bane ranks very highly in Real plus minus and BPM I think Bane is almost a guaranteed top 25-30 player for the next 5-6 years . Green could be a stud , but i dont like how weve developed him . I want to pivot styles and build around bigs ... Jabari , sengun , tari etc .. making defense a focus of the team. I think Green's value is still high due to his draft slot , but I think hes got a long way to go to be a positive contributor on a good team . I want to be a good team sooner rather than later. If we could get bane without green , id be all for it . I just think thats the best value match. But MEM prolly isnt selling
I completely agree with you about the way the Rockets have developed all the young guys. I’m really hoping Udoka turns it around. May take a year or 2. Sengun was the standout, my guy has pure bbiq and instincts I would love to see the Rockets feature him
Man come on. What is the point of trading Green for Bane? What are you trying to accomplish? There is a hard limit of what Bane could be. You are asking for a hard limit on what this team could be. Stop being aggressively hard on Green. It's weird at this point. At a certain point it seems as if people just post the most random trade scenarios involving Green just to illicit reactions. Tell me your plan for Bane. What is the goal here? Short term and long term with this trade? And what are your expectations of Bane given your infatuation with his advanced stats when coming from a team that has talent to allow him to only have a career unassisted rate for fgs made at 25%( Green is at 54% for his career btw) ? You understand his role is being a role player? You are replacing a guy who attracts doubles and creates open teammates for a less athletic better shooting version of KJ Martin. So now who's going to be the center of defensive attention now?
The flip side to that is you have a guy who averaged 21 ppg, without being featured, and actually plays defense. For us, KPJ, Sengun and Harden can do all the creation, Bane would be a perfect fit. Very doubtful Grizz go for it, though. O.G. may be a more realistic target.
Grizzles would do that trade in a heartbeat lol. Especially considering the uncertainty of Ja. KPJ and Sengun as your best self creators? One who can only do it in the paint and the other is in his 4th year and just got to respectable efficiency? What's the ceiling of that team with those two being the future first and second options on the team? Jalen Green has a ceiling of a legitimate number one option on a winning team. I know your post history anyways man you know mine. You know where this is going. You are irrational about Green and I am also. You trade a player like Green at his state of development when a guy like Luka or Giannis are demanding trades where the team that currently has them has little to no leverage where we can undersell with Green, one more young guy and some picks. Look at the history of a return for MVP level players being traded especially after they request it. It's usually not of equal value for the MVP level player. That's when you trade an asset like Green. Not for ****ing Desmond Bane.
Aversging ppg without being "featured" isn't a thing. It's more like averaging 21 ppg off of the immense gravity that is Ja Morant. He's scoring off of assisted buckets. It's not like he's scoring on ridiculously high efficiency from limited self creation opportunities. He has a career of around 25% of his fgs made unassisted. How many ppg you expect from him on this team when 3/4ths of his offense is going to be generated by KPJ?
what about Harden? What about Sengun? Without committing to D, Green’s ‘creation’ is a net negative. There is a reason why guys like Lou Will never got the big money, even though they can create offense. Green for Bane is a very bad deal for Grizz, zero chance of happening.
Lou Williams huh the guy who averaged 4 ppg on worse efficiency even adjusted for era than Green at the same age? You aren't a serious poster. Also Harden being our best offensive player at age 34 is the definition of maxing out a ceiling of a team to be mid for a decade.
Zero chance because it's a trade offer the Grizzles would never expect to be offered by the Rockets. If the Rockets called them about the offer they'd assume it's a prank call. That's how our of touch you are here. The fact that you compared Green to Lou Williams is another triangulation point to determine for certain you are extremely out of touch here with player evaluation.
Bad news for the Rockets if Scoot falls to 3 and we want the third pick. Portland would want a win now player for that pick and the Rockets don't got that yet.
Simmons is a really good shooter and I’ve liked him since he came into the league (actually wanted Houston to draft him but I don’t think we had a pick that yr). But as I’ve watched him a lot this year living in Portland, I’ve been so disappointed in his defense. He’s legitimately a terrible defender. I can’t figure out if it’s a lack of ability or desire, but he’s the worst defender on Portland; much worse than Dame. If he could defend I’d be all in on trying to make a deal with Portland cause he’s one of the best young players in the league..,but he’s one-dimensional. That’s why the Blazers are trying to deal him and Nurc. They know they need defense and two-way players.
I am mainly just playing around with ideas . I might start trading sengun next . But I’ve been thinking about building big … or rather building around our big pieces … more so than building around our guards . So in the case we trade green we are also getting Suggs from Orlando (a great defensive guard prospect ) bane is a really good floor spacer and he’s young and is not JUST a shooter . bane is top 20 in real plus minus this year and last …. And the company is not exactly bad . dude is an impact player . I won’t go back and forth with you on green . But for funsies you know who had the same 2p fg percent assisted as green this year and shot .53 from 2 vs Greens .47 …? Our own Jaesean Tate . and I don’t think either team would do the move .
