What will it take to make you seriously consider an EV?

He is conservative leaning host, his co-host leans progressive. They each usually both do a short monologue.

I find the dealership and auto parts store interesting. I don't think investing auto parts stores a good move long term any longer. Anyways I thought the vid was interesting regarding EV's and dealerships.

 

https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2023/05/rich-republicans-party-car-dealers-2024-desantis.html

 

Dealers were also protected during the 2009 failure of GM. Ford tried to shut down dealers because specialized tools and marketing in rural unprofitable (for the manufacture) dealers is a drag.

The government allowing Tesla to tell the UAW and Dealer networks to screw off is a big reason they have succeeded and I don't understand why they don't allow other American manufactures to do the same. I'd buy a ford online way over dealing with coked up salesman.

 

When I get home I'll read that. He mentions that DeSantis likely will pass 2 laws soon that impact dealerships in Florida.

 

That was entertaining.

 

There are some really good deals on base model 3's

Tesla is tearing it up with those tax credits

 

yikes. this will be entertaining to watch as dealerships die..

one thing i know in life.....don't fight the general consumer sentiment and buying trends. people want what they want.
companies or business that become stubborn die.

 

WSJ has a piece today about an EV with extended range, guy made it from Manhattan to Montreal without stopping to charge; charged overnight; returned the next day

Ultralong-Range Electric Cars Are Arriving. Say Goodbye to Charging Stops.
We drove 1,000 miles across two countries without stopping just to charge, thanks to a new class of EVs

https://www.wsj.com/articles/ultral...e-to-charging-stops-a5cf4390?mod=hp_lead_pos7

excerpt:

If you want to experience the future of fully electrified transportation today, all you have to do is buy a $138,000 electric vehicle, be flexible about where you park it at night—and exercise some patience.

Those are a few of the things I learned on a 1,000-mile road trip in an EV in which I never had to stop just to recharge. In a Lucid Air Grand Touring, I was able to go from New York City to Montreal and back while only charging overnight. Because my itinerary allowed it, I was able to do so on the kind of slower, widely-available chargers that are increasingly plentiful in the U.S., and seemingly ubiquitous in EV-obsessed Canada.

A road trip with this itinerary, and no daytime stops to charge, would have been impossible before last year. That’s when a new class of ultralong-range EVs debuted, including the Tesla Model S Long Range, which reached an Environmental Protection Agency-estimated range of 405 miles, and the Lucid Air Dream Edition, with an EPA range of 520 miles (the model I drove is rated at 516 miles). For perspective, even an efficient conventional auto like the Honda Civic has an EPA estimated city/highway combined range of about 450 miles on a tank of gas.

For now, this kind of charging stop-free road trip is solely the privilege of those able to pay for it—even the less expensive long-range Tesla starts at around $89,000.

In part, this is because ultralong-range electric vehicles currently require both relatively big (and expensive) batteries, and extreme measures for making the vehicle aerodynamic and lightweight. But that won’t always be the case, say the engineers I spoke with, many of whom are designing future generations of advanced EVs.
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more at the link

 

I can't read the article because of the paywall, and they may talk about more, but if they're just talking about the Lucid Air and Tesla Model S LR, then that's really not "new". They've been on sale for a while. Edmunds does a "real world" range test for EV's that you can find here, if you're interested. Most of the ones at the top of the list also cost a fortune and are out of reach for the average buyer. Those are great figures if you can get them in a sub-$60k car so most people could take advantage of them. But the article's title made it seem like "coming soon" when, in reality, they've been out there available for a while now. It also says they drove 1,000 miles without stopping "just to charge". In other words, they drove about 500 miles and charged when they reached the destination is what I'm assuming they mean.

To put this in perspective, I have a V6 that I can generally drive from the DFW area to the Houston area and almost half-way back (to around Madisonville/Centerville) which would roughly be 425-450 miles on one tank of gas, and not really have to worry about whether there's a gas station nearby.

I think the real breakthrough tech is/will be in the actual tech the batteries themselves use whether it be the battery chemistry or something else. There are all kinds of new techs being talked about and in various stages regarding that, though, and who knows when they'll be available to actually use on a large scale.

 

Ultra long range EVs are not necessary the way most people drive.

Irrational range anxiety.

Everyone thinks they are long distance 18 wheeler drivers when shopping got EVs.

Anything with 300+ with good efficient consumption and fast charging is fine.

What’s more important is level 2 home charger and access to Tesla super charging network (if doing long distance often).

 

Car dealers are scums. One of the many reasons I only buy Teslas now is so I don’t have to deal with them or line their pockets.

 

what about texas? We let you in here. I guess I have to drive to Vermont

 

Model 3 with $7500 tax rebate is such great value right now. Be aware that LFP models of the Model 3 is unlikely to qualify for any IRA tax rebate starting in 1/1/24 due to the entities of concern provision kicking in. So if you're on the fence for a base Model 3, don't wait too long.

 

GM to follow Ford to adopt Tesla's NACS starting in 2025.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/06/08/gm-tesla-partner-on-ev-charging-network.html

Huge news and a big win for consumers.

 

Should read: #1 EV seller to adopt Tesla charger port.

 

I was just reading about this a few minutes ago and thought, "we're getting there". Definitely a right step. They'll actually be available starting sometime next year with the use of adapters. I think the 2025 is "without adapters" or "out of the box" using their NACS interfaces.

 

I really love that Tesla is opening their Super Charging stations, but I am still not convinced that it would be great for Tesla in the short and medium term. When I was shopping for a car recently, we didn't consider Tesla because of the minimalist interior and all-touch interface (I want a regular wiper stalk!) as well as a distaste for Musk. We also didn't consider a non-Tesla because CCS infrastructure was terrible around us. Now that Ford and GM can access Super Charging stations, their vehicles instantly became viable choices.

Maybe in the long term, Tesla believes there is more money to be made by selling electricity rather than cars?

Also, will this cause Tesla to lose their aura of being a premium brand if all of these GM and Fords cause long waits at charging stations? The success of Model Y and Model 3 will , if not already, made them this era's Rav4 and Camry. I have a feeling Tesla is losing their 'cool' factor.

 

I pretty much agree with everything you said and shy away from the same makes for the same reasons. I can't stand Tesla interiors, but love the technology, and Musk is annoying. I can't stand the shorter range on most of the alternative brands, but may like their interiors (some of them, anyway). As for losing the "aura of being premium", I've never thought of cars like the Model 3 to be premium. Model S maybe. But in those cases, I'm talking about their interiors. Tesla's tech and performance are obviously premium, so it depends on what you're looking for, or how much of each, I guess.

 

I think it's a win for non-Tesla owners for sure but Tesla owners can't be happy about this..

Would apple sell as many iphones if iMessage was the messaging standard on other phones? Not sure.

 

When Im a Tesla owner, I will be happy with this decision. This was a betamax/vhs & blu-ray/HDDVD scenario.

There are short sighted views who are only looking at today. Now the industry knows which standard to use and EV drivers do not have to hunt for a compatible charger. Charging station lots will be less popular than many may expect. Businesses can attract customers by offering discounted charging rates. I would anticipate in-network and out-of-network charging plans. In 5 years, there will be ample charging locations. Not so much so if there are 2 or 3 different standards.