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George and I

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by rocketsjudoka, Jun 6, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Contributing Member
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    Social media has been reminding me that three years ago my neighborhood was burning following the killing of George Floyd. Today also is my birthday and as I reflect back on my life I've always wondered about how much of my life was only miles away from George Floyd's life even up to him dying. Our lives we very different and we are examples of the divides in this country that still persist between race and class in this country.

    This was a letter to the editor I wrote to the NYT that summed up a lot of those thoughts. It didn't make it to publication (if it had maybe @Os Trigonum might've posted it. ;) ) but sharing it now.

    New York Times Editor;

    I read your article about the life of George Floyd and have listened to the memorials and have been very moved by them. I am an architect and martial arts instructor in Minneapolis and am from Houston originally. I was shocked seeing George Floyd’s death but his life has been weighing on my mind a lot. I didn't know George Floyd and it seems like our lives had few connections but my life and his were literally not that far apart and paralleled each other.

    George Floyd and I were close in age and we both came from Houston to Minneapolis. Houston had been a segregated city and if we had been born just a few years earlier we would’ve lived under segregation. The Houston we grew up in was a time of great change as Houston became a boom town and grew to a metropolis of the New South. George grew up in the Third Ward of Houston, one of the poorest neighborhoods and an overwhelmingly black neighborhood. I grew up about five miles away in a neighborhood called Southside Place an upper middle class neighborhood and an overwhelmingly white neighborhood. The University of Houston and Texas Southern University are in one corner of the Third Ward and my mother taught at both schools The Third Ward though wasn't a place that I went to socialize, shop or spend anytime other than at my mother's work. I doubt that George Floyd spent much time in my neighborhood either. George Floyd went to Jack Yates High School. A school that had been a colored high school under segregation and was named after a former slave. I went to Mirabeau B. Lamar High School a school named after the second President of the Republic of Texas who was a secessionist after Texas joined the US. It had been a white school under segregation. Yates fit the stereotype of a black school. It was an athletic powerhouse with a great marching band. It had a poor student body and poor academic performance. Lamar was known for great academics and was the first school to have an International Baccalaureate Program in Houston. It had students from some of the richest neighborhoods in the US and among my classmates were children of CEO’s, doctors, and prominent lawyers. We matched our schools as he was an outstanding athlete but poor and black while I was well off , Asian and excelled at academics.

    George and I represented two parts of Houston. I was the son of a new wave of immigrants coming to America for opportunity. My family arrived in Texas in the wake of the Civil Rights movement at a time when barriers of race for Asians were being dismantled. We were allowed to participate in and to a certain extent welcomed into white culture and society. George was from people that had to live in the Third Ward because they weren’t allowed to anywhere else and now couldn’t afford to live anywhere else. People like me were the face of the New South, a generation that had little to do with Jim Crow and insularity but were diverse and worldly. George was still dealing with the Old South and financial and cultural segregation that kept people like him tied the Third Ward. The difference between those two Souths might've had much to do with how our lives turned out.

    We took very different routes to Minneapolis. I graduated in the top tier of my class and went to the University of California, Berkeley. Many of my classmates went to other elite schools. For us success was expected, and we were already on our way. After he graduated George went to a college in Florida for a couple of years as an athlete only to return to Houston. He worked doing automotive detailing and found some local success as a rapper. He also ran into trouble with the law getting arrested for drug possession and theft. In the meantime, my only trouble with the law was during an anti-war protest and speeding tickets. Things got bad for George when he was arrested for armed robbery involving a home invasion. He did five years in prison and after he got out came to Minneapolis for a new start. I came to Minneapolis to get my master’s degree at the University of Minnesota. This was a new start for me also and as a struggling grad student was likely as poor as George when he came here but our lives were still on very different courses.

    George Floyd had a good life here and loved Minnesota. He seemed to have found purpose in life and was leaving his troubled past behind him. My life in Minnesota has been full but unlike George I didn’t need to leave my past in Houston behind and still am tied to Houston. While we didn’t know each other it wouldn’t surprise me if we had met at some time as I’ve been several times to the Congo Latin Bistro where he worked security and El Nuevo Rodeo the other club he worked at is in my neighborhood. George came north for a new start but the same divides that existed in Houston exist here in Minnesota. I’ve made a living as an architect. George was a driver and a bouncer. In many ways we have followed the pattern that was laid out for and expected of us in high school. When we graduated high school I was a nerdy middle class Asian. He was a large poor black man. I’m now an urban professional who owns my own home and can afford to take vacations around the World. George Floyd is an ex con who died under the knee of a policeman.

    I didn’t know George Floyd but I would’ve liked to. I would’ve liked to have talked to him about food in Houston, about how he was adapting to Minnesota winters and about the Houston Rockets. I’m sad that I will never get that chance. At the end of his life the only thing we had in common was that for a big part of his life we lived a few miles apart from each other across two cities.

    There is an American belief that we largely write our own history and that we can always change yet looking at the different fates of George and I how much is that really true? Looking back on my life and George’s I try to imagine how things might’ve turned out so that it would be George writing this now and I killed by law enforcement on the streets of Minneapolis. Maybe both of us were long ago already trapped in a system that cost George his life.
     
  2. ROCKSS

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    Well done sir!
     
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    I didn't know you went to UC Berkley - well done.

    You deserve credit for your accomplishments, you have worked hard and from what I have seen - are a good person that has empathy for others.

    We like to say in the USA that we are not bound by where we come from - but the reality is that it is harder for some to break the yolk than it is for others. It takes a lot for someone to come out of a place like Yates high school and avoid problems, it happens but it is a lot harder.

    I don't know Floyd, he may well have been a terrible person - but I do know he had a hard life as a black man born into poverty and I know he did not deserve to die.
     
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    Happy birthday breh
     
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    Cool story brah…did not read. I only read self congratulatory articles that actually made publication!
     
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    I have tremendous respect for your knowledge, accomplishments, and demeanor.

    I have to say one thing, HISD tries, it's wealthy, Yates has been rebuilt and they allow an amount kids from the rest of the district to attend schools like Lamar
     
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    Yesterday grabbed lunch at a place not too far from where George Floyd died and was thinking how would LEO have treated me if the store owner had called and said they thought I might’ve had used counterfeit money? Given that I actually do suffer from mild claustrophobia if for some reason they did take me into custody and I had a panic attack I doubt that they would’ve had me cuffed with two LEO on my legs and another keeping me down in the position that Chauvin had Floyd. My guess is that they given my appearance they would’ve treated me with far more deference than they treated George Floyd.
     
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    When I went to Lamar they had several students who came in from the Third Ward and other poor neighborhoods as part of the magnet program. Being next to West U and River Oaks though the IB and advanced classes were dominated by more well off students. At that time Lamar was the Flagship school of the HISD.
     
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    Also last night there was a community meeting by the spot of the Third Precinct to discuss how the riots affected local businesses and rebuilding along Lake St.

    Minneapolis has far from recovered from what happened three years ago. There are still many businesses that haven’t come back and several lots that are sitting empty where buildings that were forced once were.
     
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    Were any Korean business attacked like in the LA riots?
    You know those peeps would rebuild even bigger and better
     
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    I don’t know if there were Korean businesses specifically but there were several Asian businesses. In the interest of full disclosure one of my clients is an Indian developer who is renovating a hotel
    Along the Lake street that was badly damaged.

    Many of the businesses burned were owned by minorities including African Americans. Many burned were Somali and it looked like a few somali businesses were specifically targeted.
     
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    My biggest take away from all that was just be a good cop and value life..We seen too many instances where bad cops kill people wrongly no matter the color of their skin, I But hope the last couple years will change things for the better as a silver lining…

    The unfortunate thing is people are judged on their appearance that’s never going to change. A black person will judge me on my appearance, I will judge them, Asians judge Asians …that’s how it goes so on and so forth and it’s life. My problem is when an Asian American Jon Wang, a Florida native who scored a 1590 out of 1600 on the SAT, with a perfect score on the math section has issues getting in elite schools because he is judged by race as well but punitively…If we are to be a color blind in appearance blind society how can we be selective? Wang is one of the people behind the plaintiff group taking on Harvard University and the University of North Carolina — two institutions whose race-based admissions practices have emerged at the epicenter of affirmative action practices for public and private institutions.

    Like I said before I believe in a color blind society treatment but it has to cut both ways…This is a perfect of example of yes you are judged by how you look and what race you are and sometimes it’s pretty unfortunate that those who earn their path get denied because of race based admissions
     
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    I didn’t get into Harvard either and when I went to CAL they had a quota on Asians. For that matter I’ve been stopped and questioned by MPD and even had an MPD LEO point his firearm at me once. I’ve encountered racism before but I also think I’ve been given opportunities that George Floyd wasn’t and been judge in ways that he wasn’t.

    I can certainly imagine a situation where MPD might question and even arrest me. I think it’s incredibly unlikely that they would treat me in custody like they would George Floyd. Even though given my background and training I might be more of a threat to them than Floyd was.
     
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    Asian "privilege" as a model minority is still very divisive internally and externally. If you had the build and height of a Samoan linebacker, who is to say you would've avoided rounds with the police enough to be a familiar face?

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/amp/sh...atal-police-violence-on-some-aapi-communities
    One of the more under-scrutinized aspects of the Floyd murder was the Hmong community's association with it. An officer at the scene was Hmong and Chauvin's ex wife was Hmong.

    The most I know about Hmong Americans are from watching Gran Torino. Being relocated to the toughest areas of Minny is similar to 80s Koreatown in LA, except Hmong had no choice, no real home to return to, and no relatives to send more money. Many Hmong stores were trashed during the Floyd riots even when the community collectively rallied against racism and called for accountability.

    Still I wonder about the Hmong officer and the ex wife. Were they hard working "meritocratic" middle to upper class? Did they believe in full assimilation into American culture while the community on the whole faced chronic poverty and discrimination?

    I imagine these internal debates are common in all immigrant communities at one time or other. It's that point where you feel like you "made it" and are potentially Seen and Accepted by the majority. It mints republicans out of people from cultures with conservative family upbringings like Catholic Latinos and Asians with Confucian roots. But it also masks and obscures the same ethnic groups who haven't made it.

    I wonder if this privilege you're alluding to implies that blacks can never "make it" or feel Seen and Accepted? There are plenty of black billionaires and cultural heavyweights who continue to influence America in unseen ways. If that premise isn't entirely true then why does it feel like an albatross on black Americans and to a lessor extent, other Americans?

    Even the potential labeling of Asian privilege implies something was handed down. Your parents might've set the table for you, but they didn't take your tests or bought your degree. You still had to pick that spoon up.

    It's what makes this conversation bloody complicated. One can acknowledge a skewed and unfair system, but at what point does it override agency and personal accountability?

    And if you argue it arbitrarily promotes groups as winners and losers how do you begin to unravel that from the top when we ignore subgroups from within that are faring relatively poorly?
     
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    The DoJ came out with their report on the MPD. I think this Twitter thread sums it up pretty well but I'm glad the DoJ is saying what those of us who lived there knew. I didn't support the referendum to dismantle the MPD but after reading the DoJ report, I think its easy to understand why the defund the police movement started in Minneapolis. I lived in a wealthy neighborhood that was almost all white so my police interactions were very different from those who lived around that part of Lake Street. For reference, the George Floyd incident happened in an area of town that was majority minority and was close to the heart of the Somali community of Minneapolis.

     
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