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Do Not Trade The 4th Pick! Draft A Top 4 Prospect

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by CHAMPBOY, May 29, 2023.

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Trade the Pick of Draft the Prospect?

  1. Trade The Pick

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  2. Draft the Prospect

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  1. CHAMPBOY

    CHAMPBOY Member

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    We have a chance to draft a elite player, this is a great draft! We have drafted very well and if we keep this draft pick we would have chosen the top 3 players in the last 3 draft. Name your top ten Prospects in the last 3 years of the NBA draft. Here is mine:


    Top Ten

    Wemby
    Bancheros
    Scoot
    Cade
    Jalen Green
    Mobley
    Amen
    Scottie
    Sengun and Chet….a tie
     
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  2. AroundTheWorld

    AroundTheWorld Insufferable 98er
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  3. OremLK

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    I have not heard a single name who could be available via trade who is worth the #4 pick, no. Siakam, Brown, Young, none of these second tier stars are good enough to be worth a pick of this caliber. If Luka, Giannis, or Embiid shakes loose then we can go all in and the front office can and should trade whatever they want to get a guy at that level.

    Until then, just be patient and build for the future. We can pick up veterans in free agency or in smaller trades to build a more competitive product for this upcoming season.
     
  4. carl_herrera

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    In terms of market value (not my own evaluation of these players’ abilities), the #4 pick is likely our most valuable asset right now.

    If another team had the #4 pick, we probably could not trade Jalen, Sengun, or Jabari for it straight up. Maybe I’m wrong.

    To trade our most valuable asset, it would need to be for a star or near star-level player in the upswing of their career that we are guaranteed to have for multiple years on a fair value contract or better.

    No high level role players, declining players, or expiring contracts.

    It has to be someone that holds value themselves so that we know 2 or 3 years down the line, if our strategy shifts, we can trade them for a big return.

    Otherwise we are lighting our best asset on fire. Franchise sabotage.
     
  5. No Worries

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    I see the talent level in picks 1.4 to 1.10 to be about the same. If the Rockets trade 1.4 down but stay in that range, they will land a good prospect. For the Rockets to give up the 1.4 pick and not get their top pick in that range, the offer will have to be an overpay.

    OIOW the Rockets should not make a trade to just make a trade.
     
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  6. CHAMPBOY

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    Wemby has MVP potential
    Scoot has All NBA potential
    Amen has ALL STAR potential
    Brandon Miller and Ausar Thompson are fringe(maybe) All STAR potential


    Everybody else are great supporting players on teams in this draft
     
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  7. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Potential means they suck right now, we are trying to win, trade it for proven talent and watch our core get better as well.

    DD
     
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    Says the guy that would draft Lively at 4 :D
    [​IMG]
     
  9. evo8lover

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    I’d say draft a point guard. Considering the pg free agent is kinda weak outside of old man harden.
     
  10. CHAMPBOY

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    Amen Thompson is a elite PG. I do not care about Amen’s shooting. Bancheros could not shoot and he was named the ROY.
     
  11. Aruba77

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    Please don’t trade this pick and exhaust my patience with this rebuild. Trade up but don’t trade out. We need one more big swing at the draft. It’s unclear if we have a franchise player on this roster. I need Stone to do his job and get a franchise player out of this draft. Then we can trade for win-now guys. But not before taking one last swing.
     
  12. Os Trigonum

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    off to the dumb list
     
  13. Aruba77

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    comparing Paolo’s shooting coming into the draft to Amen’s is a significant false equivalency in my opinion. Paolo could shoot. Amen can’t. It’s a legit concern.
     
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  14. AroundTheWorld

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    Sengun is the best player drafted between 2021 and 2023. If Udoka gives him the ball, he will have the best season of all players drafted in the last three years.
     
  15. groovemachine

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    If Brandon Miller falls to 4 I’d trade back a few spots and draft Ausar, Jarace, or Cam instead.
     
  16. Garner

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    I think you’re going to be sorely disappointed to watch us trade the #4 + more to get a player like Siakam/jaylen.

    Siakam for the 4th and some is worth it. Give me a solid vet!
     
  17. Believe It!

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    So every kid in the draft sucks?

    Gas light much?

    o_Oo_Oo_O
     
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  18. groovemachine

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    That would be foolish Siakam has one year left on his deal i believe. Jaylen is All-NBA, it would take a lot more than 4 to make that deal. .. probably at least one of our young core plus multiple future firsts in a sign and trade
     
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  19. TimDuncanDonaut

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    While I'm for Brown, unlike Siakim, BOS is not actively shopping him. There's no KD on the market, and POR is not offering Dame.

    Brown himself was a 3rd pick. So Rockets offering # 4th for a formerly 3rd pick who is already developed. o_O

    BOS wouldn't do it. Not with their win-now timeline.

    ....

    On the Siakim thing, I can see the arguments against it, but putting your own feelings aside. And read the Rockets Org's intentions of wanting to improve win records next year. There are a few guys in the mid lottery, who are considered to be able to contribute immediately. But if you use the top 4, you're padding three more years in the timeline to know if this person pans out.

    If you have a Siakim on a good contract, maybe.... maybe a slim chance to repackage something next year for Brown, or another star who might be free. Otherwise you only can deal with teams who decides to blow it up completely. (Nets picks)

    We don't have pieces that win-now teams want. So we're never in the conversation unless we're the 3rd team and in those deals we're usually getting the table scraps. Three teams trades are also harder to come by.

    In that tweet Raptors and Nets are in the conversation because they have win+now pieces. If we get someone like that, you can use him for your W/L and trade him in the future. Doesn't have to be Pascal but need to start playing chess by doing moves few steps ahead. As soon as you burn the 4th pick, you just used one of your more valuable trade pieces. I'd be fine with it if we have other movable pieces, but we don't, because most ppl here wants to keep Green, Bari and Sengun.

    If Stone won some more deals in the last three tank years, we'd have something to offer that Portland actually wants when trying to get a Henderson. Now we're relegated to the kids table watching grownups eat.

    This was the problem with HOU Harden trade, we only got picks back and not a promising young player(s). Nets got Mikal and Cam, and picks, so the use or trade players if the opportunity comes.
     
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  20. DaDakota

    DaDakota If you want to know, just ask!

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    Well yes, but we aren't trying to let guys develop now, we are trying to compete, anyone in the draft is at least 2 years away from helping and would be at best a bench jockey on this current team.

    DD
     

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