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The future of Tari?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Francis3422, May 21, 2023.

  1. Aruba77

    Aruba77 Member

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    Wtf; he shot better than Jalen and Jabari last year. Per 36 min he averages 15/10/2 steals and a block…as a rookie. And his motor never quits. That’s his floor. He’s been 22 for 11 days. Folks are taking about trading him? Really? What’s the point of rebuilding if you are gonna get rid of guys like that.
     
  2. Losmi_34

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    Tari IMO is untouchable.

    An athletic wing with elite wingspan and hand size, non stop motor and defense first mentality, Tari has the potential to become the long term solution at the 3. His activity on defense is the most promising thing about him, and I think Ime will love him and play him extensively. His steal rate was near the top of the league. His shot, while not the prettiest, is effective, and will only get better and more consistent.

    What's concerning though is his finishing. I don't know if it's the speed of the game or nerves, but it was maddening seeing him blowing wide open layups and tips, and in general being weak when attacking. He has all the physical tools to be a good finisher but the mental side is still lacking. Lucky for us, Ime has experience with dealing with prospects like Tari, so I would expect that he cleans up his mistakes on O and continues developing on D.

    I would give Tari a couple of seasons under Ime before I even think about trading him.
     
  3. OremLK

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    I would hope they would only be willing to trade him in a deal that got a talent back who is better than that (or has a much higher ceiling). I'd trade him in a package to move up and get Scoot, or maybe to pick up a high-end starter like Anunoby (depending on what else is included), but anything less than that and he should stay a Rocket.

    I don't see Tari as ever being an all-star level player, so I don't view him as untouchable, but he is definitely a valuable asset and shouldn't be given up unless the return is really good.
     
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  4. Drift Monkey

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    Tari is a professional and a true leader. I hope he retires a Rocket
     
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    I like Tari a lot. He has a many great attributes...

    but if push comes to shove - he's not gonna hold up the trade package... imo.
     
  6. Tom Bombadillo

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    Verrrrrry curious to see how he improves.

    Terrifying guy to trade. Same with Alperen. Those two are HUNGRY to be great.
     
  7. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    Timing of this post is super interesting (seems like he posted it right after this thread?). Does Tari have a BBS account?

    Tari if you're reading, we know you got it. You don't have to prove anything. All you have to do is work on your game and execute the plan. A free-flowing offense can be great for some players, but it's a really bad place to learn anything when you're first entering the NBA. Mastering your role in a structured offense is what will get you closer to being the player that knows what to do in a free-flowing offense.

    Your defense was great last season given the point of attack defense and rim protection were arguably one of the worst in NBA history. Under these stressed conditions you still showed out defensively so I have a very strong feeling you're going to be a better defender than Mikal Bridges who was a DPOY candidate at some point.

    Defense is HALF of the NBA. I'm tired of reading "Defense doesn't make up for that". It's the same as saying offense doesn't make up for that. Whether you score 2 or deny 2, it's all the same to the team. The only exception is if you're in line to take game-winning shots and that's less than 1% of the time. The rest of the time it's half defense and half offense. Don't let these simpletons **** on your spirit.
     
  8. AroundTheWorld

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    He's the anti-KPJ, which makes it unsurprising that only KPJ stans would trade him.

    KPJ is about individual stats, not about the team.

    Tari is unselfish and wants to win.
     
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    Tari got zero BBIQ and iam sure the rumors about his low IQ general might be right. His ball handling suks, he cant shoot (like tate) he cant pass, cant create for himself, he got only hustle and play a bit defence. He got huge tunnel vision. I dont think ime can turn all this Problems around so iam not really high on him and dont know why so many fans here think he is a future all star and so high on him.
     
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  11. Losmi_34

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    If you compare scoring efficiency of Jalen to Tari you need to go back to understand basic basketball fundamentals

    Also Tari'a scoring efficiency is worse than Green's rookie or sophomore year.
     
  13. SamFisher

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    Who had better at rim fg% this year?
     
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    I want him to start. We need him to start. He was our second best corner 3 shooter at almost 38%. I think he can get it to 40% next season.
    The jersey number, his shooting form and how scrappyhe is on defense reminds of someone and it's not the worm.
    He just needs to stop padding his rebounds and start dunking the ball or passing back out.
     
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    Who scores a higher percentage at the rim, Capella or Ja?

    You always provide great little tidbits of your cluelessness on how to evaluate basketball data.



    That Twitter video clip is a small example of why you can't compare scoring efficiency between Tari and Green even though Green is still more efficient.
     
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    He can be what we thought Robert Covington would be when we got him for that one year.
     
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    Yeah the difference of course is that Ja Morant and Clint Capela are at or above their positional average.

    Whereas Eason and Green were the two worst on the team not named Nix, and plumbing the depths of the whole league.

    Frankly that stat surprised me - Eason and his keystone kops layup routine eye test wise makes it seem like he's got to be the worst, but Green managed to somehow shoot worse from underneath (61% - 59%). FWIW that's a big drop from last season - he was 68%.

    That's a very concerning data point - if one is in the business of constantly defending Jalen Green from any possible shadow of a doubt, or even if you're just a Rockets fan.
     
  18. fchowd0311

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    If the stat of a role player who scores on a role player shot diet has a higher fg% at the rim than a guy who scores the vast majority of his points off the dribble against set half court defenses then you you keep on reconfirming my og opinion that you know Jack **** about basketball and can only regurgitate numbers on a screen and beyond that, stuff like context is foreign to you.


    Notice how you completely ignore the actual meat of my argument about different roles. Address that. Please try. Give me some sense of hope that you aren't this clueless.

    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/d...on&TeamID=1610612745&dir=D&sort=DRIVE_PTS_PCT

    Here's a ranking of our team's players percentage of times they score pts either from a fg make or fts on drive attempts to the rim.
     
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  19. SamFisher

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    I actually arrived at this conclusion by watching Green visibly regress last year from an efficiency standpoint - that's why i changed my opinion of him.

    I was honestly shocked when he ended up worse than Tari this season (also down in Trae Young/Steph Curry territory - not great). But it all adds up, there's a reason why we were all disappointed this season despite the increasingly shrill protests of some (you) - and the numbers match what we saw.

    If he'd merely maintained his rookie #s, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

    But he didn't and here we are.

    Btw, guess where Green ranked in terms of missed and made shots (total) at the rim last season?
     
  20. fchowd0311

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    You didn't watch him visibly regress at finishing. You saw a screen on your phone or monitor that shows numbers and that is it. There is no evaluation for you beyond that.

    Why do you think Green's ftr shot up so high? Could it be that this year his scoring plays around the rim involve a lot more traffic and defensive attention?

    If Tari has a significantly worse fg% on driving attempts than Green according to this:
    https://www.nba.com/stats/players/drives?SeasonType=Regular Season&TeamID=1610612745&dir=D&sort=DRIVE_PTS_PCT

    That's further evidence that his fg% at the rim is inflated through role player shots like open cuts to the rim(a large part due to Green attracting doubles) or transition buckets. Majority of Green's pts at the rim come from breaking down set half court defenses off the dribble and going through multiple levels of defense. Majority of Tari's pts at the rim come from open cuts, transition and broken down defenses that are out of position usually after an offensive rebound.
     

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