great analysis. Just wondering why u don’t have OG on that list. He’s been in trade rumors for a year. Not saying the Raptors would move him, but I think all bets are off on what Toronto will do.
OG is both expiring and unextendable. Because of extension rules, the max his contract can be extended is a starting salary of $26M, which he won’t accept unless he has some type of major injury. So he will definitely become an unrestricted free agent next summer, nothing we can do to stop it. And no reason he’d particularly want to sign in Houston at that point either. He’s a 1 year rental.
Jarace Walker at 4 should be the pick and try and trade for a PG or draft Livily. We need to get the defense correct first.
OG is a good player. He's not a star, he's a good complimentary piece. At his current contract ~$18.5m, that seems like a good value for a team and a fair one for the player. If we're talking about paying him north of $30m .... forget it.
Are you saying it’s too much or too little? I personally would do that deal in a second, but maybe you are being sarcastic?
As far as trade down partners: while I like Magic's picks, Magic seems to be good at the wings spot. (Franz and others). They have lot of long wingspan guys. ORL also has a decent front court depth too. Like us they're looking to upgrade at the guards position: Suggs/Fultz/Cole Anthony. Their guards are very one-way (either defense or offense). In that regard, we're kind of competing with them in a buyer's market for point guards. My feeling is that although they'd like to upgrade, they're not as desperate as we are. It's entirely possible they get a pg lower lower in the lottery or just run it back before deciding on guys like Suggs and Fultz. I wouldn't mind taking one of Magic's guards for try-out; but shouldn't use the #4, maybe other assets. ---- As far as rebuild teams who need wings/SF. Pistons is such a team. They have the 5th pick. They have many guards and loaded with bigs. We have KJ/Tate/Tari. Tari is almost untouchable for me right now. But outside of Piston's un-tradable: Cade and Ivey, they don't have too many great pieces that Rockets might want. Side rant: I do like Piston's Rodney McGruder as a vet. 7-years SG/PG (6'4", age 31) at $2.2 mil. UFA next season. So we could maybe just sign him (no need to trade). McGruder can give you that vet presence and last year shot a 42.3% 3p%. This was with the mess of a spacing that is Pistons double/big + Ivey team. He also done it at a balance where he let the young guys cook, but was there for bail out. No ego to demand minutes. There's value out there... I wouldn't trade down the 4th pick to get him. It's just doesn't have to be a big name role players like Pat Bev. FO need to step outside the box, instead of just picking people who maybe have played with Harden in the past (comfort level). Side rant #2: As it pertains to trade up/down and trades. Part of the issue with Stone getting Jalen's friends on the team: childhood friend: Josh, former g-league teammates: Nix, KJ (hangout after work), is that when it's time to trade them, it makes it harder (not easier). It's one thing to invest in your high draft pick; it's another to lock up roster spots just so your SG feels 'comfortable' in his first two years. In pivot year, certain players should be able to go without this extra relationship concerns. Monte Morris was super close with Jokic. But when it was time to trade Morris and Barton for KCP, they still did it. In the playoffs, Pope has proven to be worth it. Malone (in his enthusiasm) post game said it as much when praising KCP and referenced the trade when they sailed pass Booker and KD's Suns.
My feeling is that it would depend how teams valued KJ Martin, but I would lean toward it being too little. Starting point ask from other teams will absolutely 100% be "Green, Smith, or Sengun". It will be up to the Rockets to talk them down from there and try to get them to settle for some other combination of assets that works for both parties.
How about the rockets get Scoot Henderson. Charlotte gets KPJ Magic picks and #4 Magic gets Ball and pick 20 from rockets. Rockets trade Sengun and Eason and Nets assets back to Nets for Bridges and Claxton Scoot Green Bridges Jabari Claxton Party!
ps in this scenario perhaps you could take Simmons salary in an attempt to keep Sengun or Eason. I think I would prefer keeping Eason. Pert off the bench for an Udoka team.
Too much lol. Now most of your trade pieces for a possible veteran are gone not to mention two productive bench players. You’re talking about giving up your first round draft capital and two good role players for an unproven draft pick. Besides Orlando would have to send back other players to match contracts. The deal makes little sense to me.
I think Memphis offered 4 #1s but unlikely any get as high as 4.... they would have to love someone at 4 to do that.
Rockets out: #4 and 2024 Nets top 3 protected Rockets in: #2 (Scoot) and #29 Via Indiana via Boston Charlotte out: #2 Charlotte in: #7 via Indiana, 2024 Nets pick (top 3 protected), # 26 via Indiana via Cleveland Indiana Out: #7, #26, #29 (reportedly looking to move up) Indiana In: #4 Who says no and who needs to add more to make it work?
That's actually a really fair trade. Not sure if Charlotte is willing to move off of 2 or not but nice work!
Maybe I'm not thinking straight, but why would Charlotte do this? They move down 5 spots so they can get a pick that's unknown and may be a low lottery pick, at best, and, at worst, a later pick, with a throw-in late first round pick.
Tanked an entire season to draft another role player... Its trade up or bust. This team really feels hopeless
Yeah out of the 3 teams my guess is Hornets says no, but I do think that Hornets, Portland, Indiana and Rockets would consider move their pick. With Lamelo Ball on the Hornets they might second guess if Scoot and Lamelo could work and want to extract a lot of value out of the #2 pick. Is 3 picks enough? Historically speaking it is... but I don't think the Indiana picks alone would do it. So, Rockets throw in the 2024 Nets pick which would likely fall in the 7-12 range if I were to guess. Hornets also severely need talent outside of Lamelo and Williams... there's some nice upside players projected there that could work well with Lamelo + additional picks to play with I don't think we have anything Portland wants and in almost any 3 team scenario with Houston/Portland that I can quickly think of (outside Nets) I see the third team wanting Scoot (if available) over anything we'd be willing to trade,... so why would they involve us then? I'm sure if I think hard enough I can come up with scenarios but I also think teams will be looking to trade for Scoot so he might not be around by 3 anyways. If you were Houston and are like me who's willing to overpay for Scoot, what would you add to the deal to get the deal closed with Hornets?
The other problem I had with it was the 2024 draft isn't shaping up to be a big draft in terms of top-tier talent from what I remember reading, but of course that could change in a year with player improvement and media hype. Seems like that pick would be the biggest gamble for them to take with an unknown reward combined with losing the #2 pick. I'd just go ahead and take Scoot (or Miller) at that position. If Brooklyn ends up being a .500 team or thereabouts, that pick may not even be a lottery pick. If that were me, I'm not sure I'd be willing to trade up for Scoot, but I have no idea. I love Scoot, but there's no guarantee he's the next CP3 (or someone else good). I, personally, would just stay put at #4 and use any additional picks to possibly trade for veterans. Or maybe even move back in the draft and acquire assets (although this scares me, too, because I do like Amen, Black, etc.).
