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  1. basso

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    Biden just doesn't give a **** no more lmao
     
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    I bet its 5x that amount.

    200k is my guess.
     
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    Odd, the timestamp isn't 4 years ago for the first time when trillion dollar budget deficits were run while the economy and stock market were booming.
     
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    The preliminary civilian casualty figures were comical given the destruction seen. Scary to think what the numbers would have been if people hadn’t fled because we know those souls would not have stopped the wrath of Russia
     
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    As hold on Bakhmut slips, Ukrainian forces push to encircle city

    KOSTYANTYNIVKA, Ukraine — Ukrainian forces have been reduced to small footholds in the devastated eastern city of Bakhmut, which despite its limited strategic importance has emerged as the war’s bloodiest battlefield. But they have made gains on the Russian flanks, in a move to encircle the city and extend the fight there, according to Ukrainian officials and military personnel in the field.

    “I’m in the trenches. We’ve fortified ourselves in the positions” that Russia once held, Yuriy, a soldier in the Ukrainian army’s 5th Separate Assault Brigade, wrote in a text message from a position to the south of Bakhmut, near the village of Klishchiivka. He spoke on the condition of anonymity for security reasons.

    “Around us are a lot of dead Russians,” he said.

    Ukraine still holds slivers of the city, including the area around what has become a landmark of Ukraine’s last redoubt: a destroyed sculpture of a Soviet MiG fighter jet, according to multiple military personnel involved in defending the position, which Russian forces continue to contest.

    Oleksandr Syrsky, Ukraine’s eastern military commander who made a surprise visit to the front lines Sunday, acknowledged that Ukraine controlled only a “small part” of Bakhmut, but said that the new aim was to surround the city in a “tactical encirclement,” echoing a statement posted to Telegram by Deputy Defense Minister Hanna Maliar.

    Word of this strategy to prolong the fight, regardless of who technically had control of the city, emerged as Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky painted a bleak picture of the state of the battle in response to questions posed during a visit to Hiroshima, Japan, for a Group of Seven summit meeting. His remarks raised questions about what a Ukrainian victory would look like, given the destruction of the city and the costs its defenders have already paid.

    “You have to understand, there is nothing,” Zelesnky said Sunday — nothing of Bakhmut as it once stood left to control.

    The city, in the northeast of Donetsk region, was the home to some 70,000 people before Russia invaded Ukraine last year. It has since been decimated, hit by some of the fiercest fighting of the conflict, as Russian troops and Wagner Group mercenary forces, made up largely of freed Russian prisoners, gained ground block by block.

    On Saturday, Wagner founder Yevgeniy Prigozhin claimed that his forces had at last captured the entire city and the Kremlin released a statement from Russian President Vladimir Putin that praised the liberation of the city, referring to it by the Soviet-Russian name, Artyomovsk. Ukraine rejected the claims.

    The full capture would be a rare win for Moscow, which has struggled to lock in clear victories since the early days of the war.

    But the Russian side has been riven with internal differences over Bakhmut, with Prighozin unleashing a stream of public criticism of his Russian military counterparts over their handling of the assault. Ukrainian forces have been able to exploit these differences to hold off an enemy that greatly outnumbers them.

    Stanislav Bunyatov, 22, a soldier with the 24th Separate Assault Battalion who was injured on Wednesday in fighting near the villages of Klishchiivka and Ivanivske, said that his unit was able to attack during a period when Wagner mercenaries were being replaced by Russian soldiers.

    “They were not ready for us,” said Bunyatov, who is in the city of Dnipro recovering from an injury caused by grenade shrapnel.

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    Accounts of Ukrainian success outside of Bakhmut stand in contrast to tales of setbacks within the city. On the roads to Chasiv Yar, a town to the west of Bakhmut that serves as a staging ground for Ukrainian forces, some soldiers offered pessimistic views of the battle for the city.

    “Bakhmut is done,” a 47-year-old soldier in the 24th Brigade, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to share his candid assessment, said Sunday. He said he had been in the city the day before.

    Ukrainian advances have been reported in nearby areas, with commanders announcing on May 9 — Victory Day in Russia — that they had taken more than a square mile of territory to the city’s south. Officials have portrayed this as a strategic move.

    Such advances make it “very difficult for the enemy to stay in Bakhmut,” Maliar wrote on Telegram on Sunday, referring to the capture of high ground outside the city.

    The fight for Bakhmut has confounded some analysts, who described it as strategically irrelevant to the broader war. Ukraine is currently preparing a long-awaited spring counteroffensive where it will hope to penetrate Russian defenses on at least one part of its 200-mile front line.

    If Russian forces are tied up in Bakhmut, some have argued, it could hurt their preparedness elsewhere.

    President Biden said in Hiroshima on Sunday that Russia had suffered more than 100,000 casualties in Bakhmut, a startling figure if accurate.

    Russia’s difficulty in holding the city may be compounded by Prighozin’s claim the he intends to withdraw Wagner fighters from the city.

    Ukraine, some pessimism aside, appears willing to continue the fight. Bunyatov, the soldier recovering from a grenade injury, said he hopes to return to the front lines, preferably in Bakhmut.

    “My brothers in arms are there,” he said.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2023/05/21/bakhmut-ukraine-russia-zelesnky-encircle/

    Adam Taylor writes about foreign affairs for The Washington Post. Originally from London, he studied at the University of Manchester and Columbia University.
     
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    please include a link to the article.
     
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    Bakhmut has likely been lost for awhile but it as bled Russian forces.
     
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    Russia attacks Russia.



     
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    This.

    It is amazing to me that some forget that Russia is the one clearly in the wrong, that they decided to take the risk by invading a sovereign nation that made it clear they did not want to be part of Russia.

    Russia can make these threats whenever there is a move made that will cost them the war, but at some point they are crying wolf.
     
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    Yet there are still some Trumpers that support Russia and Putin - it is baffling
     
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    #12476 Ottomaton, May 22, 2023
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    you pay too much attention to Trump.
     
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    here's an explanation of what's going on in Belgorod.

    Two Russian partisan groups supporting Ukraine claim they carried out attacks inside Russia’s Belgorod Oblast Monday, “liberating” the settlement of Kozinka about a mile across the border and entering another one called Grayvoron about six miles inside Russia. The region’s governor acknowledged the attacks - at least the second such incursion into Russia since March - but blamed them on Ukrainian Armed Forces. He ordered that "counter-terrorism" security measures be taken as a result.

    The partisan groups called Freedom of Russia Legion and the Russian Volunteer Corps (RDK) “completely liberated the settlement of Kozinka, Belgorod Region,” the Freedom of Russia Legion claimed on its Telegram Channel Monday. “Advance detachments entered Grayvoron. We move on. Russia will be free!”

    https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zo...ing-incursion-inside-its-borders-near-ukraine
     
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    They'd also rather bleed out in that city instead of letting the advance move to another city where there are still functioning services.
     

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