1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Astros @ White Sox

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, May 12, 2023.

  1. RussE

    RussE Member

    Joined:
    Apr 23, 2017
    Messages:
    16,275
    Likes Received:
    12,758
  2. conquistador#11

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2006
    Messages:
    39,153
    Likes Received:
    28,288
    Look on the brightside, they're not going to use Montero tomorrow.
     
  3. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,379
    Likes Received:
    7,123
    Montero has pitched into some of the worst luck in mlb this year, long term I think he will be fine

    There is zero reason to use him in the 8th inning of a 1-1 game right now though
     
    BaiHua likes this.
  4. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,157
    Likes Received:
    176,615
     
    IBTL likes this.
  5. Baba Booey

    Baba Booey Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,584
    Likes Received:
    961
    The last game Montero lost, Dusty trotted him out there for the 8th inning to face a leadoff batter (Rendon) who has a career .455 OBP and 1.555 OPS against him.

    Then tonight he trots him out there to face a leadoff batter (Moncado) who, by my count, has 11 hits in 29 ABs.

    When a guy is clearly struggling, putting him out there in tie games to face batters leading off the inning who have owned him is awful decision making. It sets your player up for failure. I try not to be too reactionary against Dusty, but his use of Montero has been as bad as his lineups.

    Edit: I was definitely wrong about Montero vs Moncada. He's 3 for 6 now with 4 rbi. I think my argument still holds, though.
     
    #545 Baba Booey, May 13, 2023
    Last edited: May 13, 2023
    Rock Block, Radricky, BaiHua and 7 others like this.
  6. mightybosstone

    Joined:
    Feb 19, 2014
    Messages:
    3,606
    Likes Received:
    6,202
    I still believe in his stuff and hold out hope that he'll come back around to be a positive in the bullpen later in the season when it matters most. And I put as much of this on Dusty as anyone for using him in this scenario when he's clearly struggling this badly. But when you're paying a reliever this much money for such an important, specific role, it's just frustrating to watch him fail so spectacularly.
     
    Radricky, BaiHua and The Beard like this.
  7. The Beard

    The Beard Member

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2012
    Messages:
    11,379
    Likes Received:
    7,123
    Montero has pitched into some of the worst luck in mlb this year, long term I think he will be fine

    There is zero reason to use him in the 8th inning of a 1-1 game right now though
    Bregman is getting on base at a higher clip than anyone in the lineup tonight not named Alvarez or Tucker

    His batting average is terrible and we need him to get better, but other than the fact that Peña has always been great batting second, there are no better options right now for that spot
     
    conquistador#11 likes this.
  8. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    68,636
    Likes Received:
    32,219
    That's sort of fair, but the bigger issue is that you've only got 3 guys healthy right now with above .700 OPS....and one of them you have penciled in as a 6th hitter so that you can lead off with a .685 OPS guy, have a .650 OPS guy in the 2 spot....3 and 4 are your best hitters, then you're back to a .521 OPS guy in the 5 hole.

    That's impressively bad.
     
    Rvo384 likes this.
  9. Baba Booey

    Baba Booey Member

    Joined:
    Jul 25, 2012
    Messages:
    2,584
    Likes Received:
    961
    I think I was wrong with Moncada’s stats against Montero. Now it says he’s 3 for 6 against him. My MLB app didn’t sort properly for some reason. Don’t quote me on it!
     
    #549 Baba Booey, May 13, 2023
    Last edited: May 13, 2023
  10. Rvo384

    Rvo384 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2022
    Messages:
    2,960
    Likes Received:
    2,568
  11. tehG l i d e

    tehG l i d e Member

    Joined:
    Feb 17, 2009
    Messages:
    27,473
    Likes Received:
    21,202
    Can someone gif Abreu's terrible swing and then him refusing to run to first base and smiling while walking to the dugout
     
    Stephen66 and IBTL like this.
  12. Radricky

    Radricky Member

    Joined:
    Nov 1, 2020
    Messages:
    6,336
    Likes Received:
    10,150
  13. mvpcrossxover

    mvpcrossxover Member

    Joined:
    Aug 13, 2008
    Messages:
    31,897
    Likes Received:
    15,808
    Steve Kerr: "This is not a championship team."
     
    Rock Block, IBTL, Dopamine and 2 others like this.
  14. Tfor3

    Tfor3 Member

    Joined:
    Feb 9, 2007
    Messages:
    20,959
    Likes Received:
    25,237
    Very!
     
  15. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,592
    Likes Received:
    102,838
    Meh, shut the **** up.

    ...and please go back to the GARM
     
  16. Screaming Fist

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2018
    Messages:
    2,912
    Likes Received:
    3,499
    No Altuve, no Brantley, and Abreu’s implosion have really hurt. Roster mismanagement has also not helped, which is beginning to concern me re Brown. Surely he says how ridiculous the current roster is and has been?
     
    IBTL likes this.
  17. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,592
    Likes Received:
    102,838
    Except he sometimes does those random things and we win (wouldn't have to look back to far to find it), right?

    Not saying I like them, not saying I agree with them, not saying I'm a fan at all, but it's ****ing May, so....everyone needs to get the **** over it for a bit.
     
    #557 Buck Turgidson, May 13, 2023
    Last edited: May 13, 2023
    Baba Booey likes this.
  18. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,592
    Likes Received:
    102,838
    Bregman and Abreu have been in massive season-long slumps.

    Altuve hasn't played yet.

    That's it, that's 1/3 of you lineup, it's not that complicated.
     
    desihooper and Tomstro like this.
  19. cmlmel77

    cmlmel77 Up all Night Watching Houston Sports
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 18, 2006
    Messages:
    2,329
    Likes Received:
    5,261
    And it’s half of the expected high producing lineup (CF and C were always going to be mediocre… and DH was only expected to be good if Brantley was back).

    Bregman’s history says he will improve. Altuve is coming back. As for Abreu - based on all Nook is saying, he isn’t toast, but he is royally out of sync. We saw this with Altuve the season after the scandal - sometimes it does last all season. Either McCormick or Brantley will take DH back to average or slightly above.

    I’m not optimistic there, but I do think the offense returns to top 10 in the second half.
     
    J_Hunter_1977 likes this.
  20. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,592
    Likes Received:
    102,838
    If Altuve, Bregman and Abreu (and Tucker!) don't hit like they should, this team will not score enough runs. The other guys are going to do usual other guy things: Chas and Dubon and etc...but we need big boy bats. That's about it, I'm not worried about the pitching yet, until we can do something about it in a month or so.
     
    BaiHua likes this.

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now