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Another day another mass shooting

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by AleksandarN, Nov 8, 2018.

  1. deb4rockets

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    He's a real piece of work. He doesn't acknowledge that homes with guns are much more dangerous for women and children, from domestic abuse to murder, to kids getting their hands on guns and accidentally harming or killing someone, to suicide. He just brings up gangs, thugs and druggies and ignores the fact that guns in a home are a recipe for violence. Yes, that includes white church going citizens. His take on school shootings makes my skin crawl. Heartless souls do exist.
     
  2. deb4rockets

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    He's a real piece of work. He doesn't acknowledge that homes with guns are much more dangerous for women and children, from domestic abuse to murder, to kids getting their hands on guns and accidentally harming or killing someone, to suicide. He just brings up gangs, thugs and druggies and ignores the fact that guns in a home are a recipe for violence. Yes, that includes white church going citizens.
     
  3. VooDooPope

    VooDooPope Love > Hate

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    You can't really be serious. SMH
     
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  4. Xopher

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    You're the one talking about people removing weapons from law abiding citizens. It seems a lot of these mass shooters were law abiding citizens. Including the Nashville shooter, the Allen shooter, the Uvalde shooter. Ohhhhhh the list just goes on and on of your law abiding citizens who prove my point. They were law abiding until they weren't
     
  5. ThatBoyNick

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    The last couple of pages of this thread

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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    It is important which shooters you are focused on. Yes, those people were law abiding citizens until they became mass shooters (or perhaps shortly before). They do not represent the vast majority of gun violence, which is the whole point. If the only gun violence in America were these random mass shooting incidents, America would be about the safest country on Earth. The real gun violence issues are the ones that aren't national news stories for weeks. They are gang bangers shooting people in their neighborhood over gang nonsense.
     
  8. superfob

    superfob Mommy WOW! I'm a Big Kid now.

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    Can you explain why discussed gun restrictions would not work to address both issues?
     
  9. Sweet Lou 4 2

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    Yes given the consequences of guns, they should be regulated more than cars, not less.

    How can you focus on the criminal when you can't identify them?

    By stopping them from owning guns? How do you focus on a violent person? An angry person can not be compelled to get treatment for their anger. Many people who kill others with guns are doing it for the first time.

    MS13 is not the driving of gun deaths. If you believe that they are you are buying into major propaganda. Talk about a very very small percentage.

    History of gun registration is a prelude to confiscation? That's a strange reason to push back on registration. If someone keeps "getting" guns stolen because they are actually just selling them illegally, they can be sent to prison. How many times you going to claim your gun got stolen???? You can trace the owner of a car all the way back to the dealer lot. Guns should be the same. Every owner of every gun should be tracked back to the manufacturer. This of course would hurt gun sales as much of the profit of gun manufacturers is to criminals. Fact is that gun sales go up after mass shootings - so gun manufacturers best marketing is mass shootings - the more mass shootings, the more they profit. So naturally they are happy wit the way things are going - guns are making record profits.

    Sure you can. You absolutely can condition it. We do it all the time. And again, those psychiatrists would face legal trouble if they were to just rubber stamp sign-offs.
     
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  11. Surfguy

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    I welcome the day when the Texas GOP falls.
     
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    I got an email from Dan Crenshaw on Monday (2 days after the Allen shooting) and the subject line was Listen to Riley Gaines' Story. I haven't actually had time to read it yet, but given the timing, I'm guessing Riley Gaines must be a victim of the shooting telling her harrowing story and Crenshaw maybe is sponsoring a bill to help cut down on all of these mass shootings in our home state.

    So don't worry, at least Crenshaw is trying to do something.

    EDIT: I just read the email and it's actually about him voting on the "Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act of 2023" which is an act to keep trannies from competing in women's sports.

    Really nice timing, Dan. Way to read the room. I really hope no one from Allen (or Uvalde) is on your email distribution list.
     
  13. Surfguy

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    WRONG THREAD!
     
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  14. B-Bob

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    Yes, and I will take a joy ride in my superluminal jetpack to celebrate when that day arrives!
     
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    This is further evidence that much stronger gun regulation is needed:

    H.R.1095 - AR–15 National Gun Act118th Congress (2023-2024) | Get alerts

    To declare an AR–15 style rifle chambered in a .223 Remington round or a 5.56x45mm NATO round to be the National Gun of the United States.
    Mr. Moore of Alabama (for himself, Mr. Clyde, Mrs. Boebert, and Mr. Santos) introduced the following bill; which was referred to the Committee on Oversight and Accountability
    https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-bill/1095/text
     
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    They cant do something as simple as raise the age to 21, the gop doesn't care about kids, there to busy lining their pockets from the nra. I have to wonder what it would take for some of these losers to change there minds, do one of their kids have to be involved in one of these for them to grow a pair of balls to do something. If I see the spinless cruz tweet one more "thoughts and prayers" my head will explode..........why do our fellow texans keep voting for these idiots SMH
     
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  17. rocketsjudoka

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    Several “anti-gang” laws have been found problematic from a civil liberties standpoint because under freedom of association just being out in public wearing “gang colors” isn’t a crime yet in places like LA that led to much greater scrutiny. Three strikes was considered to violate due process and also the 8th amendment. Many of these laws led to both unequal and excessive enforcement. Here is a link to a law article from the University of Michigan looking into how some of those laws infringed on Constitutional rights:
    https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1094&context=mjrl

    Anti Recidivism laws and gun enhancement laws aren’t a problem except for unequal enforcement. I think everyone here would support gun enhancements on sentencings provided they are applied equally across the board.
     
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  18. rocketsjudoka

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    America wouldn’t be the safest place in earth if shootings were only limited to non Gang shootings because few countries if any have the amount of mass shootings whether by gangs or otherwise.

    Howabout this though. Let’s agree that we should increase the requirements for owning a firearm and improve registration in tracking across the board so it will be easier to get firearms out of gang members and others who might use firearms for harm and irresponsibly.
     
  19. rocketsjudoka

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    America wouldn’t be the safest place in earth if shootings were only limited to non Gang shootings because few countries if any have the amount of mass shootings whether by gangs or otherwise.

    Howabout this though since you’re so concerned about gangs. Let’s increase the requirements for owning firearms along with better tracking of firearms, making sales more rigorous about who guys them, along with requirements for owners to secure and store their firearms more responsibly so it is harder for gang members to get firearms.
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    And also crack down on straw purchases.
     

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