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Woj: Harden Return?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Htown Legend, Dec 25, 2022.

  1. dmoneybangbang

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    Just asking.
     
  2. dmoneybangbang

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    Im not a KPJ fan. Well sounds like you just have a lack imagination.
     
  3. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

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    No, if i was out of ideas I'd just shrug and say "flexibility" as if it's 2012.
     
  4. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol…. Says the guy who wants to bring back the 2012 player with a blank check…..
     
  5. DatRocketFan

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    Offers no viable alternatives aside from flexibility.


    Like if u don't want Harden one of the best playmaker then offer a better alternative that makes sense. If u cant even answer that question, u are basically pushing for running it back with kpj at pg
     
  6. DatRocketFan

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    It's not up to 2 folks that offers a viable solution in harden to have imagination,

    It's up to 2 the folks that don't want him to offer a more viable alternative that makes sense.
     
  7. riko

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    Where were you after game 1? Keep the same energy
     
  8. RocketsFido

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    Was watching Harden in the series. He had a great game 1 then game 2 reminded me of what Harden is like in the playoffs. 1 good game followed by 2 bad ones.

    Still remember that nightmare Spurs series. He can come back but definitely not for the max, get it somewhere else like on the Hornets.
     
  9. daywalker02

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    Okay but do fans get a decent alternative to having Fertitta as owner?

    Guess not. Next.

    Life is not fair and you do not get enough alternatives IRL either.

    The alternative is biding your time for a young superstar, that was the plan all along and nothing changed.

    People who want Harden are behaving like the Last Great Emperor on their high horse demanding super cool alternatives lmao......who tf are those guyz....

    Do you guys dole out positive YELP reviews for alternatives to Harden?

    The entitlement. The audacity. The Bravado.
     
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  10. dmoneybangbang

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    Lol…. No one from the “harden at all costs camp” offered a viable solution from my perspective. Just a bunch of hope and rockets fan fiction.

    I’d much prefer Murray or Brown than your “viable solution”.
     
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  11. J.R.

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    BimaThug twitter:

    •(4 years, $202M in terms of cap %) 35% of the cap in 2023-24. With cap smoothing under the new CBA, it’s not like the cap will spike and that’ll be significantly smaller in the out years.

    Jalen and Sengun will probably be on large extensions by Year 3 of the Harden deal. Jabari in Year 4.

    To put it in perspective, even with max annual raises in the cap, Harden would still count over 30% of the cap ($54M) in Year 4 of that deal. And that’s a BEST case scenario for the Rockets.

    Will Tilman suffer the consequences of the new apron/tax penalties? That’s a HUGE TBD.

    •Here's (approximately) what a "full max" contract from the #Rockets to Harden would look like:
    2023-24: $46,900,000
    2024-25: $49,245,000
    2025-26: $51,590,000
    2026-27: $53,935,000
    Total: four years, $201,670,000
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    “When Udoka cited the desire to add “some veteran pieces,” he specifically mentioned acquiring more shooting and a “different” sort of big man.” — “We’d like to add some veteran pieces there. Shooting is at a premium and an area we struggled in this year so we want to improve that. And then just some contrasting pieces to what we have whether it’s bigs, Alperen (Şengün) does some things really well, but we’d like to add some different types of bigs, shooting on the wings.”

    “At least in the free agent market, we're trying to find value," Stone said. "We're trying to find guys we think are undervalued. The way you build your roster is having people that outperform their contract and trying to find people who are better than other teams think they are. That's our goal. There's not just one way of doing that.”

    “Houston’s roster is in desperate need of an overhaul and injection of shooting, playmaking, rim protection and wing defense.”

    *age at start of next season
    Harden(34) at $46M or…
    FVV(29) at $30M-$35M
    Middleton(32) at $30M-$35M
    D.Russell(27) at $25M-$30M
    Irving(31) at $25M-$35M
    KPop(28) at $25M-$35M
    D.Green(33) at $20M-$25M
    J.Grant(29) at $20M-$25M
    Kuzma(28) at $20M-$25M
    GTJr.(24) at $18M-$23M
    CamJ(27)(RFA) at $18M-$23M
    H.Barnes(31) at $18M-$23M
    Poeltl(28) at $18M-$23M
    A.Reaves(25)(RFA) at $18M-$23M
    B.Lopez(35) at $15M-$20M
    J.Hart(28) at $15M-$20M
    P.Bev(35) at $8M-$12M
    R.Hachimura(25)(RFA) at $8M-$13M
    G.Williams(24)(RFA) at $8M-$12M
    Tre Jones(23)(RFA) at $8M-$12M

    Others: Nikola Vucevic, Jordan Clarkson, Dillon Brooks, Miles Bridges, PJ Washington, Bruce Brown, Caris LeVert, Malik Beasley, Naz Reid, Kelly Oubre, Donte DiVincenzo, Seth Curry, Matisse Thybulle, Ayo Dosunmu, Coby White, Thomas Bryant, Max Strus, Mason Plumlee, Jevon Carter, Georges Niang, Jae Crowder, Jalen McDaniels, Josh Richardson, Torrey Craig, Dwight Powell, Lonnie Walker, Alec Burks, Jaylen Nowell, Reggie Jackson, Shake Milton, Joe Ingles, Andre Drummond, Josh Okogie, Dennis Smith, Terrence Ross, Troy Brown, Trey Lyles, Damion Lee, Drew Eubanks, Gabe Vincent, TJ Warren, Will Barton, Dario Saric, Paul Reed, Jaxson Hayes, …

    “ThIs BrO rEaLly SaId hE’d rAtHeR hAvE dReW eUbAnKs & BrUcE bRoWn oVeR HaRdEn LmAo!”
    :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

    But you already know the standard reply: “Not better than Harden”.
    Ask for alternatives, you don’t like the alternatives, so don’t ask for alternatives. It’s “Harden or bust.” for you. … “I’d rather sign Harden to his full max over any and all of those guys!”

    Do Harden fans have a solution in the event he re-signs with Philadelphia?
     
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  12. IamKhan

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    We are a super young team. We will have up and downs. Harden will quit if things are tough, especially on his last contract. So th issue is not entirely about how good he is or he will be.
     
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  13. cheke64

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    Live look at JR:

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  14. DatRocketFan

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    Ah yes lets just throw a sht ton of names acting like quantity trumps quality.

    Harden is literally the cream of crop player u can grab from that free agency group.

    U take a risk signing him due to concern of durability and age. But the benefits for having a player of hardens caliber is insane.

    And he fulfills one of our weakest position at pg.

    Now say u don't want to sign one of the greatest playmaker, yea u can sign any of these players listed but u are taking more risk hoping the star aligns and hope the few players we sign can actually play at the value we signed them at. Like it would b fun to roll the dice and overpay for reaves and players like him hoping they would outplay their contract, but it's quite risky as fk.

    We are quite boned if we whiff on Harden and henderson due to us dcking around for two years with kpj at pg. It's literally a waste of money signing fvv or any mediocre pg to replace kpj, it's a. Improvement but not by that much when compared to grabbin Harden
     
  15. napalm06

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    Playoff Harden wasn't back in game 1. Try Harden was in game 1. Let's see if who comes back for game 3.
     
  16. CVcrew

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    yes, I would rather have KPJ than Harden. Spend that FA money on younger FA that can grow with the club… I loved Harden but even Hakeem had to move on. It’s time
     
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  17. ThatBoyNick

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    Who are the other 3 level scores, who can also pass in this FA class?

    Irving, Middleton, Van-Vleet, Russell, Reaves, Clarkson

    Out of those, who can play some defense, score efficiently, not have a bonehead, not be 5'11, and not tweet about flat earth Jews?

    Middleton, Reaves - 3-level scoring ability, good size, defensively capable, high IQ, no locker room mess, good passing. Great

    I'd target one of those two if we miss out on Jimmy, and I think the case could be made that either could be a superior option for us depending on the contract situations. If we wiff on all 3 break the glass and call Miami/Hornets about Lowry/Hayward and kick the cap space until next year.



    Sign an additional 3&D vet (G.Will/JamGreen/Ingles/Niang/Bev/Carter), and a defensive center (Lopez/Poeltl/Biyombo) or trade for one if you can/have to (Capela/Adams/Turner) and call it an off-season.
     
  18. Aruba77

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    I don’t get it. He made $35 mil this year. Why would we pay any more than that? He’s declining, not improving. I’m good with $35 mil for 3 or 4 years but paying him any more than that seems crazy to me.

    I would not lose any sleep if Harden doesn’t come here. He could help us, but only under the right circumstances.
     
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  20. J.R.

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    $33M was his one-year/one-time only discount to Morey to bring in all the other ex-Rockets. (Tucker, Melton, House, Harrell)
     
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