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What is your current Rockets Top 5 Draft Big board?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by MystikArkitect, Mar 15, 2023.

  1. OremLK

    OremLK Member

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    This, but also, I think Walker can play a lot of small ball 5 in today's league; he takes up a lot of space and has a long wingspan and is a good shotblocker.

    The league has gone more and more into having flexible players who can slot into two or even three positions, and the Rockets are no exception. Eason can play the 3 and the 4, Jabari can just about play 3 through 5 (for now), Sengun can play the 4 or the 5, and Walker should be able to do the same if we draft him. If you leave aside KJ Martin, that's 36 minutes per player at those three positions. If you include him, it's about 29 for each player, although of course in reality it would be more like 30-something for some guys, and in the mid-20s for others.

    Regardless, having too many good players at certain positions is a nice problem to have. If a good trade opportunity presents itself you're ready to take it, and if not, you're prepared for any injury problems/load management that might happen.
     
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    It’s a nice problem to have yes. It is also a bad problem to have when you do not have a guard capable of getting the team into a flow and system. Then all of your good problems stand around and stagnate.
     
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  3. MystikArkitect

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    To be fair Jarace Walker is probably a better PG than Honcho.
     
  4. sirjesse

    sirjesse The Udoker has spoken!
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    1.Victor
    2. Wenambaya
    3. Vicktor
    4. Wenamanabaya
    5. Wenabaya.
     
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  5. ApacheWarrior

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    1) Wembanyama
    2) Brandon Miller
    3) Jarace Walker
    4) Cam Whitmore
    5) Amen Thompson
     
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  6. CarlosGM

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    Is Scoot even in your top 10?
     
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    Yes I agree with this order. I actually want to add Black at 6th as that's as low as we can go.
     
  8. OremLK

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    Yeah, um...

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  9. ApacheWarrior

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    Yes,

    *but I'm a believer Harden is coming back and I'm fine with the progress
    of KPj and Green.

    *And some fool wasted a first round pick on TyTy.
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    KPj fandangled the G-league to better numbers in year one
    (as a Rocket) than Scoot last season [ first season at Ignite ]
    I've posted the numbers/stat comparison before between
    KPj/Josh Christopher/ & Scoot

    Others: But Apache, Scoot was 18 y/o

    Apache: KPj was 20 and learning point guard for the first time.
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    Don't get me wrong Scoot can play.....but he will have to learn how to
    play Point Guard in the NBA just like KPj, Josh Christopher, and now TyTy
    have/had to learn.

    I saw Jalen Green and Kuminga come from the Ignite.....I don't think they
    run plays
     
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  10. SamFisher

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    Victor
    Scoot
    Trade
    Trade
    Trade
     
  11. OremLK

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    My revised big board (6 deep since we could pick sixth):

    1. Wemby
    2. Scoot - anyone wanting to take Miller over him is just wrong, sorry, this guy is a competitor
    3. Amen - never seen any prospect who moves like him on the court, generational athlete. Taller third-year John Wall at worst, one of the GOATs if he becomes a great shooter
    4. Walker - defensive star, great rebounder, great passer who will probably be an average perimeter shooter. Would anchor our entire defense
    5. Ausar - Iggy 2.0? Great athlete with a long wingspan who does a lot of things well and I think he'll be an all right shooter.
    6. Miller - I don't like him as much as consensus but I can't justify dropping him lower than this. Great shooter who will be an extremely efficient off-ball player in the NBA, and might be able to be a second scoring option if he improves at shot creation.
     
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  12. aelliott

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    As a UH alum and basketball season ticket holder, I have to disagree with the assessment of Walker.

    Another poster described him as "Jack of all trades and master of none". That's a pretty accurate description of his game. He definitely flashed skills but he often disappeared too.

    He's a good defender but not great. Most of his blocks came from the weak side.

    He had some good rebounding games but he had some bad ones too. Only 6.8 boards/ game. He wasn't even the best rebounder on the team.

    He probably had the 3 best assists of the season for the coogs but overall he averaged 1.8 ast/game. Great passers don't average 1.8 assists...even in college.

    He's definitely got potential but he's a project.
     
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    Thanks for your perspective! I've watched him play a lot myself, although not in person. A lot of the reason I'm so high on him is that he was doing what he did at age 19. There's projection involved with any teenage prospect, in my view. (That includes Wemby, who still has a ton of things to work on.)

    Yeah, some of it is just flashes, but he's reportedly a great worker and seems to have great basketball IQ for his age. In any case, always good to hear another angle from somebody who's watched a guy play.
     
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    Wemby
    Miller
    Scoot
    Whitmore
    Black/Dick **pause**
     
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    Sampson absolutely raves about how coachable Walker was. Seems to be a really good kid too. The story goes that he wouldn't take any NIL money until their walk on got some first.

    Like I said, he's shown flashes of a lot of things but he currently doesn't have any elite skill. It's really hard to get a true read on UH big men's defense because they double team so much. The bigs aren't left out there to defend one on one.

    Walker isn't a bad athlete but he's also not an uber athletic guy. Athletically he reminds me of Karl Malone prior to his transformation to a body builder. Walker is a legit 240/250. He's got an incredibly ugly floater that he shoots on the way up but it goes in way more than you'd expect. He's also got a drop step midrange jumper that was on some games. His 3 ball was hit or miss but when he was on, he was really good.

    He certainly could develop but it's far from a sure thing.
     
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    https://theathletic.com/4471377/2023/05/02/nba-draft-2023-big-board-prospects-wembanyama/

    …Next year’s draft is seen as one of the weakest cycles of talent in the last decade – at least at the top of the class. Recent McDonald’s All-American, Nike Hoop Summit and Iverson Classic events have been loaded with top potential 2024 prospects and open to NBA evaluators. I’ve asked a number of NBA executives, scouts and agents over the last month at what pick in the 2023 draft do they think their current favorite player in the 2024 draft would be taken. The answer I get is typically somewhere between No. 5 and No. 8. Some NBA evaluators believe there is no player in the 2024 class who would be taken in the top seven of this class. I personally think that is a bit aggressive, but I wouldn’t take any of the 2024 prospects currently over my top five in 2023. These players, of course, are a year behind in terms of their development.

    …So where does that leave the 2023 class? Right now, I have Victor Wembanyama in his own tier at No. 1. The next tier would come from No. 2 down to No. 5. Then, another tier from No. 6 to No. 12. The next group goes from No. 13 to No. 22, and those are the players I feel very confident will hear their names called in the first round right now. After that, it’s a free-for-all from No. 23 down to about No. 42, with all of those players having a very realistic chance to play their way into a first-round pick or slide out and have to answer real questions about whether they stay in this draft class.

    Here is where my board stands now.

    1. Victor Wembanyama | Metropolitans 92 | C | 19 | 7-4
    2. Scoot Henderson | G League Ignite | G | 19 | 6-2
    3. Brandon Miller | Alabama | F | 20 | 6-9
    4. Amen Thompson | Overtime Elite | G | 20 | 6-7
    5. Cam Whitmore | Villanova | W | 18 | 6-7
    6. Taylor Hendricks | UCF | W/F | 19 | 6-9
    7. Ausar Thompson | Overtime Elite | W | 20 | 6-7
    8. Anthony Black | Arkansas | G/W | 19 | 6-7
    9. Jarace Walker | Houston | F | 19 | 6-8
    10. Cason Wallace | Kentucky | G | 19 | 6-4
    11. Kobe Bufkin | Michigan | G | 19 | 6-4
    12. Gradey Dick | Kansas | W | 19 | 6-7
    13. Leonard Miller | G League Ignite | F | 19 | 6-10
    14. Dereck Lively Jr. | Duke | C | 19 | 7-1
    15. Brice Sensabaugh | Ohio State | W | 19 | 6-6
    16. Jalen Hood-Schifino | Indiana | W | 20 | 6-5
    17. Jordan Hawkins | Connecticut | W | 21 | 6-5
    18. Keyonte George | Baylor | G | 19 | 6-5
    19. Nick Smith Jr. | Arkansas | G | 19 | 6-5
    20. Kris Murray | Iowa | F | 22 | 6-8
    21. Dariq Whitehead | Duke | W | 18 | 6-6
    22. G.G. Jackson | South Carolina | F | 18 | 6-9
    23. Bobi Klintman | Wake Forest | W/F | 20 | 6-10
    24. Bilal Coulibaly | Metropolitans 92 | W | 18 | 6-6
    25. Sidy Cissoko | G League Ignite | W | 19 | 6-6
    26. Rayan Rupert | New Zealand Breakers | W | 19 | 6-6
    27. Jett Howard | Michigan | W | 19 | 6-8
    28. Colby Jones | Xavier | G/W | 21 | 6-6
    29. Maxwell Lewis | Pepperdine | W | 20 | 6-7
    30. Noah Clowney | Alabama | F | 18 | 6-10
    31. Jaime Jaquez | UCLA | W/F | 22 | 6-7
    32. Marcus Sasser | Houston | G | 22 | 6-2
    33. Jalen Wilson | Kansas | W/F | 22 | 6-7
    34. Andre Jackson | Connecticut | W | 21 | 6-7
    35. Julian Strawther | Gonzaga | W | 21 | 6-7
    36. Terrence Shannon Jr. | Illinois | W | 22 | 6-6
    37. Olivier-Maxence Prosper | Marquette | W/F | 21 | 6-8
    38. James Nnaji | Barcelona | C | 19 | 6-10
    39. Julian Phillips | Tennessee | W | 19 | 6-8
    40. Trayce Jackson-Davis | Indiana | C | 23 | 6-9
    41. Kobe Brown | Missouri | F | 22 | 6-9
    42. Adem Bona | UCLA | F/C | 20 | 6-10
    43. Jaylen Clark | UCLA | W | 21 | 6-5
    44. Kevin McCullar | Kansas | W | 22 | 6-6
    45. Terquavion Smith | NC State | G | 20 | 6-4
    46. Trey Alexander | Creighton | G | 20 | 6-4
    47. Brandin Podziemski | Santa Clara | G/W | 20 | 6-5
    48. Amari Bailey | UCLA | G | 19 | 6-4
    49. Omari Moore | San Jose State | G/W | 22 | 6-6
    50. Judah Mintz | Syracuse | G | 19 | 6-3
    51. Adam Flagler | Baylor | G | 23 | 6-3
    52. Jordan Miller | Miami (Fla.) | W | 23 | 6-7
    53. Ricky Council IV | Arkansas | W | 21 | 6-5
    54. Jordan Walsh | Arkansas | W | 19 | 6-7
    55. Arthur Kaluma | Creighton | W/F | 21 | 6-7
    56. Ryan Kalkbrenner | Creighton | C | 21 | 7-1
    57. Coleman Hawkins | Illinois | F/C | 21 | 6-10
    58. Nikola Djurisic | Mega | W | 19 | 6-7
    59. Zach Edey | Purdue | C | 21 | 7-4
    60. Dillon Mitchell | Texas | W | 19 | 6-8
    61. Reece Beekman | Virginia | G | 21 | 6-3
    62. DaRon Holmes | Dayton | C | 20 | 6-10
    63. Seth Lundy | Penn State | W/F | 23 | 6-6
    64. Mouhamed Gueye | Washington State | C | 20 | 6-11
    65. Jalen Slawson | Furman | W/F | 23 | 6-7
    66. Colin Castleton | Florida | C | 23 | 6-11
    67. Mojave King | G League Ignite | G | 21 | 6-4
    68. Chris Livingston | Kentucky | W | 19 | 6-6
    69. Ben Sheppard | Belmont | W | 21 | 6-6
    70. Adama Sanogo | Connecticut | C | 21 | 6-10
    71. Isaiah Wong | Miami (Fla.) | G | 22 | 6-3
    72. Drew Timme | Gonzaga | C | 22 | 6-10
    73. Azuolas Tubelis | Arizona | C | 21 | 6-11
    74. Liam Robbins | Vanderbilt | C | 23 | 7-0
    75. Grant Nelson | North Dakota State | F/C | 21 | 6-10
    76. Emoni Bates | Eastern Michigan | W | 19 | 6-9
    77. Mike Miles Jr. | TCU | G | 20 | 6-2
    78. Darius McGhee | Liberty | G | 23 | 5-9
    79. Nae'Qwan Tomlin | Kansas State | F | 21 | 6-10
    80. Emanuel Miller | TCU | F/C | 23 | 6-7
    81. Jalen Pickett | Penn State | G | 23 | 6-3
    82. Tristan Vukcevic | Partizan | F | 20 | 6-11
    83. Landers Nolley III | Cincinnati | W | 22 | 6-7
    84. Cliff Omoruyi | Rutgers | C | 21 | 6-11
    85. Sir'Jabari Rice | Texas | W | 23 | 6-4
    86. Dillon Jones | Weber State | F | 21 | 6-6
    87. Tevian Jones | Southern Utah | W | 23 | 6-7
    88. Ousmane N'diaye | Baskonia | C | 19 | 6-11
    89. Tristan Da Silva | Colorado | F | 22 | 6-9
    90. Eric Gaines | UAB | G | 22 | 6-2
    91. Leaky Black | North Carolina | W | 24 | 6-7
    92. Hakim Hart | Maryland | W | 22 | 6-6
    93. Caleb McConnell | Rutgers | W | 24 | 6-7
    94. Lamont Butler | San Diego State | G | 21 | 6-3
    95. Tosan Evbuomwam | Princeton | F | 22 | 6-7
    96. Toumani Camara | Dayton | F | 23 | 6-6
    97. Olivier Nkamhoua | Tennessee | F | 23 | 6-9
    98. Jacob Toppin | Kentucky | F | 23 | 6-9
    99. Taevion Kinsey | Marshall | W | 23 | 6-5
    100. D'Moi Hodge | Missouri | G | 23 | 6-4
     
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    Victor Wembanyama update

    Wembanyama remains the clear No. 1 overall pick in this forthcoming class after a dominant season in France that is among the most impressive pre-draft seasons for a single prospect in history. He is currently leading the French league — a difficult pro league with high-level professionals across the board — in points at 21.5, rebounds at 10.1 and blocks at 3.1 (nearly doubling the per-game block total of any other player in the league). He has Metropolitans 92 at 20-10 this season, second in the league behind Monaco, a power that finished top four in Euro league. Again, Metropolitans is typically a good but mid-table team in France. Wembanyama’s presence — as well as that of French national team head coach Vincent Collet — has transformed them into contenders.

    The evaluation remains the same. He’s a 7-foot-4 center who can create his own shot from all three levels in some regard. He’s a terrific pick-and-roll player as a ballhandler or screener. His handle is better than any teenage supergiant in history. Defensively, his near-8-foot wingspan changes the geometry of the game around the rim. And he’s ready to help teams win now. The most recent absurdity that Wembanyama pulled was creating a stepback 3-point opportunity, missing the shot and somehow getting his own rebound for a tip dunk. Consistently, Wembanyama does things I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player do before. Sometimes, it’s things I don’t think I’ve ever seen a player even attempt.

    The Wembanyama hype train remains real. The NBA Draft Lottery on May 16 will be the most important since 2003, when the Cavaliers won the opportunity to select LeBron James.

    Biggest movers

    Kobe Bufkin | G | Michigan | 19 years old | No. 11
    Bufkin is the biggest mover up the board after having done more of a deep dive into his game following the season. Not only is he clearly Michigan’s best prospect, but I have a lottery grade on him right now. There isn’t really anything he does poorly. A couple of NBA executives have brought up the idea to me that he doesn’t necessarily “pop” for them, and there are some concerns we’ll delve into, but Bufkin is a well-rounded, long-armed 6-foot-4 guard who I think has upside to play as a true lead long term. And more importantly, he’s the kind of two-way player who likely won’t take anything off the floor.

    Bufkin’s top skill is finishing around the basket. He made 67 percent of his shots at the rim in half-court settings, an absurd number for a teenage guard (Bufkin played his entire sophomore season at 19 years old and is younger than freshmen such as Jarace Walker, Brandon Miller and his teammate Jett Howard). But more than that, what I love about Bufkin is that there is no fluff to his game. There is no wasted motion. He makes quick decisions. If he has an open shot, he’ll take it. If he needs to attack a closeout, he’ll attack it quickly. He tries to get downhill if he can both when he’s playing on and off ball. He plays in straight lines, and he’s really smart. He rarely turns the ball over.

    But beyond that, he’s really skilled. He’s sharp in ball-screen actions. He’s still developing the right mix between shooting and passing, but he hits high-level passing reads regularly with one-handed live-dribble kick-outs and lobs with either hand. As a pull-up threat, he’s still developing. But he made 33 percent from 3 on those shots. He’s good at stringing out his man in drop coverage and stopping them with hesitation dribbles, then stepping back and firing on-balance. He has real shot versatility, in that he can get to them from 3 or from the midrange area. But he also makes them directly off the catch too. He hit 37 percent of his catch-and-shoot 3s this season on about three per game, per Synergy. His high release point helps him here, and he is always aligned and ready to catch and fire, and he shows real upside off movement.

    I also think Bufkin is also a sharp defender. He’s one of eight high-major draft prospects to average at least 1.2 steals and 0.8 blocks per game. He’s good on the ball against guards due to his pressure. You have to always be aware of his hands, and he uses his quickness well. He stays in front of his man and uses that length to contest jumpers well but also fights through screens at a high level. Off the ball, he’s good in rotation, and he’s a sharp weakside rim protector for a guard. He’s terrific as a scramble defender.

    All of this leads to Bufkin being incredibly impactful on the court. Over the course of the season, Michigan’s drastic defensive improvement was in big part due to him. The Wolverines went from outside of the top 100 defensively nationally in the first half of the season to actually becoming the second-best defensive team in the Big Ten in terms of defensive efficiency. Bufkin was, by far, the most impactful player on Michigan this year. When Bufkin was on the court, Michigan beat its opponent by 10 points per 100 possessions. When Bufkin was off the court, Michigan lost those minutes by 12 points per 100 possessions. In Big Ten, it was even more drastic, as Michigan won its minutes with Bufkin by 10.1 points and lost its minutes without him by 20.1 points per 100.

    So what are the concerns? Bufkin is still pretty skinny. The biggest place you see those struggles is on the ball. His handle is OK for a teenage combo guard but needs to take a few steps forward still. Particularly, he has to get stronger on the ball and be able to keep his dribble alive. He can get bothered by teams that really try to get into his body with aggressive, physical on-ball defense. For instance, Rutgers gave him some problems with how it blitzes and really plays with intensity on the ball. While he’s good against drop coverage, I think he can struggle to string guys out and force mismatches against more aggressive schemes. Beyond that, I don’t love Bufkin’s game in isolation when trying to create his own shot. While he plays terrific pace and poise, I don’t think he’s quite there yet in terms of being able to string together a bunch of moves, in part because of that ability to keep his dribble alive.

    That should come with the strength he should be able to add, given that he has good length and a solid frame. Bufkin reminds me a lot of Derrick White in terms of frame, quickness, length, instincts and skill. White is a guy whom I similarly had ranked in the top 15 of his draft class despite the fact that he ended up going toward the end of the first round. And I think Bufkin has a bit more upside if it all comes together for him in terms of his game off the bounce. I feel pretty good about him as a lottery pick, and there is a chance he slides up the board as the process continues.
     
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    Taylor Hendricks | F | UCF | 19 years old | No. 6
    Hendricks being up to No. 6 might be a pretty real stunner to people, given that he entered college with very little excitement regarding his potential as a one-and-done. But he emerged quickly as a likely top-20 pick in the class back in November. And he’s risen up the board throughout the course of the process to where I think I’d be a bit surprised if he didn’t hear his name called in the top 12. I wrote in the most recent big board that Hendricks was the name I’d heard most from executives when I ask, “What player will go higher than currently projected?” Indeed, scouts are very much in on Hendricks as a lottery guy.

    Why do I currently have him as a top half of the lottery player? It has to do with how translatable his game looks toward playing in the playoffs. Hendricks is a monster defensive prospect. He has immense length for being 6-foot-9 with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-2 wingspan. He’s a good weakside rim protector. His sense of timing on that end is tremendous. He goes up mostly off two feet and is ready to meet his man at the rim with strong hands and a balanced center of gravity. On top of that, he has awesome anticipation for when his services are needed to clean up messes. He’s a terrific scrambler. Beyond that, I also like his switchability. He can straight up switch ball screens as a four. He has really good feet and is a very fluid mover. He gets a bit upright at times, but it doesn’t really impact how well he moves and can change direction because he can also bend and flip his hips with ease. Consistently, he gets his chest in front of his man and uses his length to bother opposing players and contest every shot. But he is also enormous for how quickly he moves, allowing him to just envelop his man in his chest and length. Every NBA team is looking for guys who are this big and athletic on that end who can also play on the offensive end.

    And indeed, I buy Hendricks on the offensive end. He made 40.9 percent on over 130 catch-and-shoot 3s this past season. The mechanics are easy and basic in the best way. He has a high release point that allows him to shoot over the top of his defender with ease. That makes him reliable over tight closeouts. He can cut backdoor and be an elite level finisher if a shot is being created for him there.

    What are the worries? He is very limited right now in what he can do off the bounce. He can attack a closeout and is comfortable doing so, but I don’t really trust him as a self creator in a substantial way at the moment. He needs to improve his touch at the rim on the move, and I think he needs to improve his feel as a passer and playmaker on those drives as well. There are some real holes here.

    So why do I have Hendricks over someone like, say, Jarace Walker at the moment? I think Hendricks profiles a bit better in the NBA as a switchable defender, and I like his jumper drastically more. Walker is better right now as a passer, and I think his feel for the game is a bit more naturally developed. But I buy Hendricks’ movement skills more as a big, long four, and the most important thing a player like this can do with those skills is shoot. Walker strikes me more as a four/five type of power forward in terms of movement, whereas Hendricks is more of a four/three type. And I like the latter archetype more than the former. At the very least, you’re talking about a plus shooter who will fly around, protect the rim, scramble well and switch. I might go back and forth on that duo a couple more times through the process, as there will be some real conversation there between teams in the lottery. But right now, I can’t quite get past Hendricks and his potential in the playoffs.

    Leonard Miller | F | G League Ignite | 19 years old | No. 13
    More than any other player, I think there is a chance I’m going to be out on an island with Miller this year as maybe his biggest fan in the public sphere. And that’s a funny change, because last year, I was about as skeptical on him as anyone. Last year, I thought he was far too raw and undeveloped as a project. This year, things are closer to being ready for an NBA court.

    Ultimately, I rank players based on what kind of value I believe the team will receive when they select the player. An example that I always bring up in this regard is Talen Horton-Tucker. I thought the odds were that Horton-Tucker would likely be one of the 30 best players to come out of the 2019 draft class once we went back at the end of their careers and ranked them all. However, I ranked him at No. 45 because I thought there was no way the first team that had him would end up getting a lot of value from him. I thought his defensive fundamentals and shooting were so far away from being playable on an NBA court that it would take multiple stops for him to establish himself.

    The Lakers drafted Horton-Tucker, and after he showed a bit of potential after his second season, they rewarded him with a fairly large contract. However, they didn’t get much value in terms of positive, winning impact on the court and only ended up receiving an expiring Patrick Beverley in return for him. That turned into Mo Bamba, who is out of their playoff rotation. Meanwhile, in stop No. 2, in his fourth season in the NBA, Horton-Tucker continues to show interesting on-ball skills, having averaged 18 points, five rebounds and six assists in his final 22 games for the Jazz. Odds are, Horton-Tucker will end up being good at some point, given that he’s still only 22 years old. But the Lakers didn’t really get anything from it for drafting him.

    In Miller’s case, a pick last season would have resulted in something similar, in my opinion. However, this season, Miller has shown such drastic growth that it’s hard not to love him.

    His physical tools are absurd. He came in at 6-foot-10 with a 7-foot-2 wingspan and a 9-foot standing reach at last year’s combine. But his rare blend of athletic traits make him interesting. He looks like he constantly lives on the edge of being off-balance where it seems like his body is moving in different directions at the same time. However, he’s clearly confident and comfortable within his own movements, which means he’s able to get to his spots. He has great body control and takes bumps well, displaying the fact that his balance is actually quite good despite how it seems. But he also has the ability to initiate bumps. He’s typically the one who is handing out the contact even as a teenager playing against professionals in the G League. And the results end up being that he is an elite finisher, having made 67 percent of his shots at the rim this season. He can make passing reads and stay with his eyes up because of that ability to take those bumps. He dished out 2.5 assists versus only 1.5 turnovers in his final 15 games. Overall, Miller was actually the most productive G League Ignite draft-eligible player we’ve seen. He averaged 17 points and 10 rebounds over the course of the full season. In 14 games from Feb. 8 onward, Miller averaged 20 points and 13 rebounds per game with one steal and one block. He shot 55.6 percent from the field, 37 percent from 3 and 82 percent from the line.

    His last stretch of games is worth valuing because Miller was at a real experience deficit entering the season. He had not played really any high-level basketball at that point. He didn’t play a ton as an underclassman at Wasatch Academy because he was stuck behind some high-level recruits. Then he hurt his wrist prior to an AAU season when he was set to play for UPlay. Then he grew to 6-foot-10 and played in the Ontario Scholastic League, a league he could simply dominate athletically. His first high-level games were at Hoop Summit and at the NBA Draft Combine last year. Of course he was going to struggle early in his G League season as he adjusted to competition level. Even someone like Scoot Henderson had drastically more high-level hoops experience playing in Georgia prior to committing to the Ignite program.

    The key for Miller was always going to be what he looked like in February and March, and by then, he had figured out the G League in terms of transition play, rebounding and playing through contact. He’s not a perfect player. He has a ways to go as a shooter still, although he’s already working toward making some mechanical adjustments in terms of his base and off-hand placement this offseason, and he clearly has touch with how he finishes around the rim. Defensively, he looked better by the end of the year than by the beginning, but there are still some late moments in terms of help defense and rotations. Again, he only has one year of good, solid basketball experience. But every coach and trainer who has been around him describes him as a sponge, an intellectually curious player who just wants to learn everything.

    If you’re going upside-hunting in this class, Miller is a worthwhile bet I’d invest in.
     
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    • Bilal Coulibaly, Wembanyama’s teammate with Metropolitans 92, is a hot name currently for NBA front offices. A 6-foot-7 or so wing with something in the ballpark of a 7-foot-1 wingspan, Coulibaly has elite length for a wing, and the flash plays he showcases from time to time are absurd. Coulibaly is a classic highlight guy right now. There are moments when he looks like a lottery pick with his mix of mobility, explosiveness and length. You get him out in space, and it’s a show. He’s going to throw down all over everyone. There are also moments he looks like he’s nowhere near ready for the NBA as a teenager playing in a tough professional league. When you watch full games of Metropolitans — which many NBA scouts have done throughout the season because of Wembanyama — he’s not quite as impactful as his athleticism would indicate. He’s still very much a project.

    But he’s a project whom teams are fascinated by because of those athletic tools. If you get him out in transition, he’s a freight train. The jumper mechanics look projectable — albeit a bit hitchy with a long release — even if he’s only made 34 percent from 3 so far this season across all competitions, including in the Espoir youth league in France. Coulibaly is assured to be drafted at some point, and it’ll likely come in the first round. The only question for him is whether to try his luck this season when he’s still this unfinished product or to go next season after an offseason of development into a weaker 2024 class. Right now, I have him as a late first rounder.

    • I’ve recently wrote about Wake Forest’s Bobi Klintman as a really fun upside swing for an NBA team to take as a 6-foot-10 wing with real shooting and passing upside.

    Teams are constantly on the hunt for big wings like Klintman (and Coulibaly) with legitimate size and skill with body control. Much like Coulibaly, Klintman has real options at his disposal through this process and will need to figure out if he can get some sort of assurance on a draft range. As referenced above, things get very murky in this class outside of the top 22 or so. Klintman is the guy I’m willing to bet on outside of that range. Now it comes down to whether he and his representation can find the right potential landing spots.

    • In general, the disappointing piece of this class has been the performance of the upperclassmen, but there is at least some enthusiasm to be had regarding a few. Missouri forward Kobe Brown is a name I’ve heard a lot as someone who could rise up the board due to his size and shooting skill. Teams want to learn a bit more about his frame and if they can thin it out a bit and add some quickness defensively to his game. But I have gotten a lot of notes about him as a potential top-40 pick, with some first-round upside if the pre-draft process goes well.

    Marquette wing Olivier-Maxence Prosper has gotten some buzz from teams as a big 6-foot-8 body with a 7-foot-1 wingspan who can really slide his feet defensively and who grew by leaps and bounds as a shooter in his junior season. Teams really want to get their eyes on him through this cycle to see if he has a bit more ball skill than what he was able to show at Marquette due to Tyler Kolek and Oso Ighodaro running the show on offense. By the way, Marquette was a big winner of the pre-draft cycle already, with neither Ighodaro (whom I will have as a top-40 player entering next season) and Kolek deciding to not enter their names.

    Players like UCLA’s Jaime Jaquez, Houston’s Marcus Sasser and Gonzaga’s Julian Strawther all have interest as potential late-first-round to mid-second-round names who could really impress over the next month and solidify their stock. Others like San Jose State’s Omari Moore, Penn State’s Seth Lundy and even Belmont wing Ben Sheppard are names teams have real interest in bringing in and learning more about as potential wings who can play on both sides of the floor. Any of those players could go from a solid two-way grade up to a guaranteed deal in the process. A lot will play out here in the coming months.
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Anything else trade out of draft....for vets

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