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2023 NFL Draft Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Texans' started by gucci888, Sep 26, 2022.

  1. JayGoogle

    JayGoogle Member

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    The idea that the GM can just tell players to sit that are healthy and want to play doesn't work though and again this assumes that if you sit Cooks or Mills or whoever they could still win the game.

    Like they been losing with that roster for the entire season, why should Caserio be worried that suddenly it was going to turn into a win when the entire season it didn't?

    We're acting like these guys that they played were tearing it up and that playing them was a guaranteed win when it really wasn't or we're acting like Lovie really wanted to win this game more than any other game, he's a coach, he goes out there trying to win every game. It's not like he was tanking the season and decided last game "Time to win!" it's more like he couldn't win those games any way and just happened to win the last game of the season.

    At the end of the day the NFL should have a lottery for bottom 5 to even prevent this from happening. Coaches and players should never be expected to go out and lose and purpose, Lovie, Mills, etc DGAF about the draft, as far as most of those players are concerned those guys are coming in to replace them if they aren't performing.

    Well I think lying to Lovie and pretending like he'd be there next year would be just as bad karma. I think he knew his job was on the line, i think most coaches operate knowing that any year could be their last.

    I agree hiring one and done coaches is bad but I'm only judging this idea that Caserio could have made the team lose the last game. I just don't really see how the blame should go to him there or how he could have expected that for once guys like Mills would come out and actually close out a game when he hadn't done that all season long.
     
  2. primtim24

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    Exactly. I don't understand the fascination with Hendon Hooker. He was a phenominal college QB, but he and that offense looked ABYSMAL against teams that made him actually read the football field. Their WR's had wide splits, and it looked like he threw either a deep fly, slant, or screen every play. Not saying it's his fault the coach did a good job, I'm just saying he showed far less than the "big 2" when it comes to reading defenses and making throws in tight windows.

    (I know someone is gonna find some highlight reel of him making like 3 throws and saying "dude, you don't know what you're talking about". But the fact remains, their offense didn't work like that, and when he was on an offense that worked like that, it didn't quite work out he ended up transferring out of VT.)
     
  3. coachbadlee

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    If anyone is still dealing with double posts, just post once then go back to the main page.
     
  4. houstonstime

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    Did you just read the first sentence then stop?
     
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  6. coachbadlee

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    I wouldn't put too much stock into that S2C stuff. So many things happen in the game. You never know. Maybe a player would do better after watching season 3.
     
  7. J.R.

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    Let’s draft @coachbadlee ’s guy AR15.



    Hopefully he slips to 12. ;)

    3. ANTHONY RICHARDSON | Florida 6042 | 244 lbs. | 3SO Gainesville, Fla. (Eastside) 5/22/2002 (age 20.93)

    BACKGROUND: Anthony Richardson, the oldest of two boys, was born and raised in Miami (Fla.) by his mother (LaShawnda Lane) and often lived with other relatives. He has a relationship with his biological father, but his great uncle (Tanka Lane) was the central male figure in Richardson’s childhood. Tanka, who passed away when Richardson was in middle school, introduced Richardson to football at age 4, when he played for the Carol City Chiefs. Richardson also ran track in elementary school and started playing basketball at age 10. His family moved to Gainesville in 2013 and Richardson enrolled at Professional Academies Magnet at Loften High School, where he studied Fire, EMS and public safety. Loften doesn’t have athletic programs, which allowed Richardson to play sports at Eastside High School. He originally played wide receiver as a freshman before moving to quarterback after the starter broke his finger. After scoring 23 touchdowns (13 rushing, 10 passing) as a sophomore, Richardson led the Rams to a 7-4 record and playoff berth in 2018, finishing his junior year with 1,567 passing yards, 924 rushing yards and 33 total touchdowns (17 passing, 16 rushing). He played the first six games of his senior season before a shoulder injury ended his year, finishing with 1,398 passing yards, 151 rushing yards and 15 touchdowns (8 passing, 7 rushing). Richardson’s senior season was featured on the Netflix documentary “QB1: Beyond the Lights.” Richardson finished his four-year varsity career with 78 total touchdowns (41 rushing, 37 passing). He also lettered in basketball at Eastside and averaged 10.5 points and 7.5 rebounds per game as a junior, helping the team to a 26-3 record in 2018-19.

    A four-star recruit, Richardson was the No. 9 dual-threat quarterback in the 2020 recruiting class and the No. 30 recruit in Florida (No. 1 quarterback recruit in the state). As Richardson played high school football in the Gators’ backyard, newly hired head coach Dan Mullen extended a scholarship offer to him after his breakout sophomore year in the spring of 2018. A few months later, Richardson verbally committed. However, his recruitment started to increase during his junior year (including offers from Georgia, Michigan and Penn State), and Richardson decided to decommit from Florida to examine his options. After almost flipping to Penn State, he decided to stay home, recommit to Mullen and enroll early (graduated from Loften in December 2019). Richardson was the first Gainesville-area quarterback to sign with Florida since Chris Stephens in 1999. After only one season as the Gators’ full-time starter, he opted out of the 2022 bowl game and elected to skip his final two seasons of eligibility to enter the 2023 NFL Draft.

    STRENGTHS: Big, twitchy athlete with rare arm strength (velocity and distance are both easy for him) ... drives his throws to every inch of the field and the ball gets on receivers fast ... efficient arm-action release for a big-bodied passer, regardless of platform ... displays a natural feel for downfield touch on his bucket throws ... promising eye use and made whole-field reads in college ... loose and agile to comfortably throw on the move and execute rollouts and boot action ... feels pressure in the pocket and is able to step up or make subtle slides/shuffles mid-read ... brawny frame and not an easy guy to tackle in the open field or pocket ... nifty runner (on scrambles or designed runs) with options to elude using his quickness or power (39 broken tackles in 2022 were the fourth-most in the FBS) ... looks like Cam Newton in short-yardage and goal-line situations and can be a powerful weapon on draws and zone reads ... explosive athlete (set the quarterback record with a 40.5-inch vertical at the combine) ... extraordinary speed for his size to pick up chunk yardage (had at least one 15-yard run in nine games in 2022) or hit home runs with downfield acceleration (six career runs of 45-plus yards) ... humble, hardworking and his coaches say he has the “required wiring” to digest and apply hard coaching.

    WEAKNESSES: Up-and-down accuracy and still developing his pacing and placement as a passer (misses too many open receivers) ... breakdowns with his base, mechanics and release points disrupt his rhythm ... lacks consistency with some of the details, like throwing to the correct shoulder to lead receivers ... not every throw requires his fastball and he needs to learn how to control his ball speeds ... gets himself in trouble forcing things and is prone to JV-level mistakes at times ... undeveloped anticipation for routes about to come open ... his deep accuracy looks great one play and then misses by five yards the next ... eight career fumbles ... plays through pain, but he missed time because of injuries as a redshirt freshman, including a strained hamstring (September 2021), concussion (October 2021) and nagging pain in his right knee, which required arthroscopic surgery (December 2021); missed the final month of his senior year in high school with a right shoulder injury (October 2019) ... received a ticket for driving 105 mph at 4 a.m. (April 2022) and had to pay a fine and write an essay detailing what he learned from the incident ... started only 13 games in college with a sub-.500 record (6-7).

    SUMMARY: A one-year starter at Florida, Richardson became the full-time starter as a redshirt sophomore in head coach Billy Napier’s play-action, outside-zone offense. His 2022 season was full of highs and lows (his 53.8 completion percentage accurately reflects his up-and-down play), although his supporting cast was equally inconsistent from game-to-game. An athletic, large-statured passer, Richardson has the arm to drill every throw imaginable with plus velocity, while also using his legs to be an explosive playmaker (had four 100-yard rushing games compared to only three 250-yard passing games). However, he has scattershot tendencies and is more of a see-it thrower, lacking anticipation and relying on his arm over repeatable footwork/mechanics (only 393 career pass attempts). Overall, Richardson’s volatile accuracy and decision-making cloud his evaluation, but he is a freakshow talent with special size, speed and arm strength, and he put enough promising plays on film to be optimistic about his potential ceiling. He fits an RPO or NFL vertical-passing offense that will also utilize his athleticism, but he needs on-field reps and a patient coaching staff willing to weather the early storm.
     
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  8. primtim24

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    I don't really want AR. But with trade backs, I think most on this board can get behind and support just about anybody. But I will say, we've seen it over and over, no matter how good you are at the other 21 positions if that QB is trash, it won't matter. I think unless there's a trade available, we should just take Stroud and maximize our other picks.

    But for those thinking we can just take all the awesome defensive players and we'll be fine, In just 2022 alone:

    Denver Broncos
    Washington Commanders
    NY Jets
    New England

    All top-10 defenses that didn't even SNIFF post-season success because of lackluster QB play.
     
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  9. zeeshan2

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  10. raining threes

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    Is this a one year rebuild in your opinion?
     
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  11. Fulgore

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    Must be a deal with the Colts or Vegas is guessing again.
     
  12. houston19519

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    Indeed both good guesses.. I could also see Texans outright just taking him at 2. It’s going to be a interesting few days. I’m sure more info will leak soon.
     
  13. primtim24

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    I think we're firmly at LEAST in year 2 arguably 3 of this rebuild. We've done a successful job of tearing down what needed to be down, and are now building back up. As an organization, we should genuinely expect to compete for the division in 2024.
     
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  14. gucci888

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    It’s not an idea, it’s a common practice that team that are tanking employ year in year our. Also sitting starters greatly diminishes your chance at winning games, that is not really debatable.

    You are 100% right they DGAF which is precisely the reason the future of the franchise shouldn’t have been left in their hands. Especially when you know they will not be a part of it.

    At the end, the Texans hurt themselves while helping the Colts. Blaming league rules that aren’t in place, saying played/coaches shouldn’t have to go out and lose, or saying there was nothing they could are all really lame excuses.
     
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  15. Bob Barker 007

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    I will put myself on the record yet again for absolutely hating trade ups in the draft. Draft picks are never a sure thing, so it almost never makes sense to trade up for someone who is no guarantee to be a success in the NFL and give up picks to do so. That's overconfidence and gambling, not sound strategy, and the data back it up.
     
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  16. raining threes

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    I would say 2025
     
  17. JayGoogle

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    They had won 2 games before that one with these starters you're wanting to sit. Again, why should Caserio be worried that Mills and crew were playing? There is no legit reason why he should be worried that they'd be able to win a game when they struggled to win games all season.

    Hurt themselves how? Is it guaranteed that the guy going #1 will be better than the guy going #2?

    All year long people went on and on about how all these QBs are kind of in the same tier as prospects and now not getting one guy is a huge mistake we should be concerned about?

    The future of this franchise is not tied to that game in any way. Caserio has a bunch of picks this draft, his job is to hit on a few of them and add talent to the roster and no draft is #1 pick or bust.
     
  18. El_Conquistador

    El_Conquistador King of the D&D, The Legend, #1 Ranking

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    A rookie QB on a young, inexperienced team is a disaster. We would be wise to wait a year, possibly two, to acquire a franchise QB. Doesn't have to be via the draft. The Eagles put a young Jalen Hurts on an experienced, talented team and it paid off. Build the fortress of talent, and then drop in a QB at the right time.
     
  19. Deuce Rings

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    Sounds like Henry to The Eagles is happening so you can cancel those Bijan to The Eagles at #10 rumors
     
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  20. primtim24

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    Man you can't throw away the poor execution in week 17 on the basis of "who says that #1 will be better than #2". If that's the case, let's just forfeit all our top picks, cause late rounders outperform early picks all the time. At the end of the day, they had 1 job, and they flubbed it. Now we have to figure out what's best with what's on the table now.
     

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