I think with the right coaching and talent around him Levis will be very good. Which is why the Texans shouldn't draft him. I see where you're coming from and certainly respect your opinion.
Wait what, I think you’re confusing me with someone else. I have never said I want stroud. I’m a buckeye fan and don’t want him. I want Young or no one. And I have never once commented on Demeco making picks. It’s supposedly all caserio but he said he and Demeco are on the same page. I was just commenting on how when the media said panthers want young or stroud, everyone says it’s just panthers trying to get Texans to panic and trade, so maybe this levis talk is the same thing that we are doing to the teams behind us. I was just asking why it was any different because it was pandering for panthers but for Texans -> levis it suddenly means that’s what’s happening. I then went on to say that this is also my hope because please god don’t take Levis at #2. a while ago I posted that “panthers will take stroud or like Will Anderson and we will take Levis because caserio will say that’s who he always wanted because I have been scarred by bill Obrien always trying to be the smartest guy in the room.
I’m just saying, there isn’t a pick being made without agreement from Caserio and Demeco. Some people (not you) are pre blaming Caserio if they draft someone that they feel isn’t the right pick, but I’m almost certain wouldn’t praise him if they draft someone they like
Agreed. It is a crapshoot, which is what makes me especially nervous sitting at #2, but would even make me nervous if we did have the #1 pick because there is no Luck or Lawrence or Manning (yes I know Leaf). If we have to guess that maybe someone could be IF.... it feels like we need to pass. We're too far away to be taking that on. Teams like Seattle or Las Vegas or Minnesota should be all over Levis and Richardson because they have adequate, veteran starters that can teach these guys how to be a pro and afford them a few years to learn and sit like Jordan Love has gotten behind Rodgers or Mahomes got behind Smith. Thrusting either of those guys into the starter role like we'd do feels like a recipe for disaster we've seen from this franchise before. We need a no-doubter like Lawrence given our QB room and since we didn't even go get a bridge like Winston, I'd rather we pass this year and look to those higher ceiling guys like Williams and Maye next year personally.
I keep hearing that this QB class has flaws - yeah no-one is perfect but in a strong draft at other positions, I have a feeling that some of these QB's slide. Most of the attention is on the top two, maybe three so I would not be surprised to see at least two of the top 5 slide down to Houston's #12. Few teams are going to snatch at a QB if a quality day 1 starter at another position is sitting there waiting to be selected.
Every QB has flaws. Look at Mahomes, Josh Allen and Justin Herbert coming in. The question is, do you think you can fix those flaws?! Young biggest flaw is his size. You’ll have to keep him protected so he doesn’t get hurt. Footwork can be improved. Probably a day one starter. Stroud has issues with pressure. Pocket presence is big for him. I seen someone say his mechanics are off a bit. I’d probably wait 4-8 games before starting him. This is just me though. Richardson has the biggest upside with the wildest of wild cards. He can be a running Cam Newton that throws like Josh Allen with the athleticism he has but he’ll need a lot of work and patience. Footwork, timing, accuracy, pocket presence…I could go on. If he gets it right, trouble for the league. He shouldn’t touch the field for a year to year and a half. Will Levis is another wildcard to me. Not high on him at all. His arm strength could be elite though. I’d like to see him in a real offense. Most of his passes seemed to be short and/or behind the line. Sometimes he’s off on those. He’ll need help with footwork and patience. I do wonder what he would’ve been like with better WRs since the ones he had weren’t route runners. There’s more but really don’t like to do long posts. Not my style and this isn’t directed solely at you. Just a post.
I posted something similar to this on the other site:- Just for perspective:- (Stats are from ESPN for '21 and '22) Stroud - TDs 85 - ints 12 Young - TDs 79 - ints 12 Levis - TDs 43 - ints 23 ARich - TDs 23 - ints 14 Hook - TDs 58 - ints 5 I post this for those who say Stroud was "terrible" under pressure - he still threw a lot of TDs and his ints were very respectable - for one so terrible under pressure...and not too shabby for a 21y.o. Stats and game tape don't lie. Beware of lying season - don't overthink it.
Every QB Class has flaws. The media and fans pick these kids apart. The teams do as well, but they're playing 3D chess with all of the stats, vids, testing, metrics, security checks, etc., while the rest of us do well to play a game of checkers with the Draft. Many are calling for us to draft a QB at #2, to get our guy, our franchise QB. What if our FO doesn't see any of these guys (besides BY) as a franchise QB, and have other prospects graded much higher? We better take the best players. We don't have the luxury to reach for needs. I pray that NC and DR will make the best decisions to build this team for the long-term and not cave to pressure or influence. If that pick is a QB because he's top on their board, so be it. Less than a week, gonna be fun!
My QB pov positives and negatives to me : Bryce += does everything well. Charisma and personality is up there . S2 test was the best, likely safest bet for "franchise QB" -= only size is a negative Stroud += accuracy and placement, prototypical size, better athleticism than given credit -= s2 test was the worst, lethargic personality (inspiring to teammates?), may have benefited from elite WR on performance compared to others Levis += arm strength is elite, good size and athletic for his size, second best s2 test results -= maturity may be a concern, INT seemed high Richardson += crazy athletic, speed plus size combo, personality and upside -= ball Placement, inconsistency so my top 4 QBs - all with positives and negatives - obviously Bryce when you look at the traits good or bad is still the best / the question is whether the other QBs should be a number 2 pick given position talent elsewhere such as Will Anderson and to me it becomes a debate after Bryce if he's not available Stroud and Richardson are almost opposites and both with concerns Levis concerns as well
Agree with pretty much everything, but there aren’t maturity issues with Levis. Everyone says he’s a pro already, regimented and a leader. People have ran with a joke about Mayo and a banana peel thinking it’s what he does. They were jokes.
I will say this - the fact Levis pretty much ran similar style to the shanahan system in college is a plus , his int rate may be impacted by others and not necessarily his fault - the more I look at Levis , I wouldn't feel bad if we came away with him - I am not sure if I said that a month ago but constant comparisons and looking into this as a fan - this is pretty much where I am at
I've been an advocate of Anderson at #2, but it appears if we like/love Levis we'll probably have to take him there. When I started this thread in Dec, I believed of the QB prospects the one that had the easiest path to fixing his issues and adapting to the Pros would be Levis. I like BY and believe he's a phenom, but his size can't really be corrected. He can add some muscle, but he's thin framed and will likely maintain a weight under 200 lbs. I've never been for Stroud, you and I agree there. AR has incredible physical gifts and charisma plus, and is actually my 2nd choice, just not at #2. I have no inside knowledge, but believe the debate in the FO is between Anderson, Levis or trade down. If we get a can't turn down offer, we'll trade down. If we don't, we'll take one of those two guys, which one will boil down to whether they see Levis as their franchise QB. If they don't then Anderson is the pick, if they do, then I think they take Levis. That's my 2 cents worth, watch them take Stroud!
I admit... it was a good breakdown. If Texans go with both Will's at 2 and 12 (or trade up a little higher) it really wouldn't be bad. We gotta develop whatever QB we get anyway... Levis is just more of a project. His strengths do translate to the NFL level. I just worry about if he truly every reaches his potential.
Levis down to +125 to go #2 on draftkings. Could be Texans like him or could be someone is going to come up and get him.
