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Free Agent Target: Cam Johnson (RFA)

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by larsv8, Apr 17, 2023.

  1. Little Bit

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    The problem is we need defense and shooters.
     
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  2. Joe Joe

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    Alternativelty, the Rockets could approach Brooklyn about a sign and trade. Give Brooklyn the option of getting something or being forced either to match a big offer or let him go. Brooklyn has to know that the Rockets have the leverage as they can overpay, but still get benefit from improved draft picks by taking one of their 3 best players.
     
  3. Bo6

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    Is this Tobias Harris 2.0?

    an over-payed 3rd banana? I like Cam Johnson but he is going to be 25-30 million dollar player after this off-season. We have to be strategic in our FA this year with lots of Rookie contracts that will be ending in 1-2 years... (KJM, Green, Sengun, Eason)
     
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  4. Deuce

    Deuce Context & Nuance

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    Rockets could absolutely do this. I'd offer Tate in a trade if I could negotiate a better team friendly offer from the Rockets side.
     
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  5. saleem

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    A 25 M plus with incentives will be matched. The Rockets will have to overpay him unfortunately. I don't know if they should do that.
     
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  6. saleem

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    And playmaking too.
     
  7. Aruba77

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    Cam freaking Johnson should be our top FA target
     
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  8. vjohnson

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    Yep cause he would instantly be our best shooter
     
  9. OremLK

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    I mean I'd rather overpay Cam Johnson than draft Brandon Miller and pray he maybe becomes as good.
     
  10. CHAMPBOY

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    I would overpay for Johnson…..we need that length and shooting for our wings and place KPJ as our 6th Man…draft Scoot
     
  11. Mathloom

    Mathloom Shameless Optimist

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    His stock dropped dramatically in my eyes once I learned he's 27 already. If he were 23 and under I'm in but come on, he's barely going to improve so he is certainly someone you should add to an already-winning roster. He's not a building block neither as a scorer who requires double teams nor as a defender who moves the needle.

    He's not a vet that's going to help young guys I don't think. Not sure I see a worse fit in the FA market. Would rather just start Jabari and Tari and give them one season with hiccups.

    $25m+ for a 6'8 decent offensive (16 on 12 shots) and decent defensive player (certainly not great)? Doesn't get to the line, doesn't get assists. Already 27 and in BKN he has more freedom than ever before to score. He's not going to get much better than this. I really don't see $25m+ in value here.
     
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  12. Aruba77

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    Just my opinion, but 27 is not too old. 27 is when players start to hit their prime years. Cam is about to have the best 3-4 yr stretch of his career, if I’m overpaying, I’m overpaying for that. We need size, shooting and defense. Cam checks those boxes. No he’s not Makail Bridges. But he’s absolutely one of the best potential free agents available.

    Tari cans play 3/4. Jabari can play 4/5. There’s definitely room for Cam at the 3. He would be a huge upgrade over KJ and Tate, neither of whom can shoot and both of whom are undersized.
     
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  13. Houston77

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    If you're willing to offer Cam Johnson 25 mil, you may as well offer him the max for three years with an option. This would be difficult for the Nets to match. Unless I'm mistaken, Green's potential rookie max extension (assuming he gets one) won't kick in until 2026.
     
  14. Mathloom

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    Oh my god man I'm not bumping Sengun's development for Cam Johnson. Sengun could end up putting up 20+ points and 5+ assists and his defense (better than Sengun) is not making up for 10 extra points created by Sengun. Jabari is a 4 and Tari is a 3. Are we really going to move THREE of our best assets into their second best position for Cam Johnson to peak at 18ppg, decent defense, no rebounds, no assists, no iso penetration ability?

    He's 6'8 with a 6'10 wingspan and 210lbs and is an average ball handler at the 3. So he's either going to be a catch and shooter at the 3 or he's going to be a small 4 who can get past slower PF's. No one is signing Cam Johnson for size. Tari Eason is heavier, taller, longer wingspan, bigger hands, you name it. We can't cite size as a reason to sign him.

    If you're overpaying, there are players that can add championship credentials to their stats, have led winning playoff teams in scoring, can lead the league in assists. I've been against signing Harden but even Harden at $45m is better value than Cam Johnson at $25m.

    I understand he's one of the best players available in a weak summer, but don't take your eyes off his overall ranking in the NBA. If you're overpaying, at least overpay for someone who more directly or mentally improves the young guys.
     
  15. Reeko

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    a max for the likes of Cam Johnson sounds absolutely crazy to me…y’all talk like he has all this untapped potential

    he’s a solid role player and nothing more
     
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  16. YOLO

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    imagine advocating paying as much as max for a role player. funny how things work. When the rockets were actual contenders, folks wanted to be cheap and scrape the bottom of the barrel and find guys barely hanging on in the league. How'd that turn out. Now the rockets can barely win 20 games, oh hey lets spend and throw all kinds of money at role players. Yayyyyy
     
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  17. Reeko

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    an average of 36 mil/yr for Cam Johnson…a decent, but efficient scorer who gets 98% of his threes assisted, and decent defender

    o_O

    20 mil/yr sounds about right for his value, but BK would match
     
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    Given the Rockets can use the cap space to force Brooklyn to either screw their own cap over Johnson or lose him for nothing, I think a sign and trade is the obvious play here if the Rockets desire him. I wonder if KPJ+Martin+Tate+one or two of Brooklyn's picks would get it done? Remember the alternative is basically losing Johnson for nothing or over investing in him based off of the Rockets potential offer with $60M in cap space.
     
  19. YOLO

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    if cam johnson a role player is your highest paid player at any point, you're not a good team.

    how it makes sense for folks pushing max makes no sense. This is probably the same folks who laughed at Cuban for giving Parsons his deal. Now look whats happening. let that sink in
     
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  20. sydmill

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    For this line up I would go up to $30M:

    Henderson/Vet/Tyty
    Green/JC
    Johnson/Eason
    Smith/Eason/Vet
    Sengun/Vet/developmental player
     

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