Woj: Frank Vogel "very much in the mix" to be next Rockets coach

From Rox fans angle，No one is the best choice for Rox HC.lol

 

Was waiting for someone to call it out . How about 25% of LeBron’s championships came under Vogel. Or that Vogel has won almost 50 playoff games versus many many less playoff losses. That’s what it’s all about….postseason wins.

 

Was waiting for someone to call it out . How about 25% of LeBron’s championships came under Vogel. Or that Vogel has won almost 50 playoff games versus many many less playoff losses. That’s what it’s all about….postseason wins.

 

Dwayne Casey comparison is awful. He had 21-34 postseason record vs Vogel’s 49-39 postseason record.

 

Vogel is fine. At least it's a step in the direction of trying to win.

 

Fine ain't want we need. To counteract the Fertitta ownership effect we need the greatest of all time.

 

You’re not wrong in what you’re saying. Vogel is an basically slightly better than average .500 coach. There are better out there like the University of Houston coach and Nick Nurse, but neither are available so what do we do?

 

99.99% guaranteed 'Fire Coach X' thread happening.

Subsequent 'Coach X Appreciation thread' ......

 

I'm sure he's good at adjustments, but at the end of the day the big questions for me are:

1) Can he coach a top 10 defense and top 10 offense simultaneously?
2) Can he teach it to a roster that will be at least 70% youngsters?

Everything has to stem from these two things, so things like being a good players' coach, making good adjustments: yes I know coaches have this and that specific skill, but I don't really care how they do it as long as they can do those 2 non-negotiable things. Nothing more important than overall team defensive success and team offensive success because there's no path to the title without inching into the top 10 of those two things and someone has to teach these kids how to get there. Otherwise he's just going to come in and take a hatchet to the young assets just so he can get vets so that he can overcome his issue with developing young players.

Being best at ATO playcalling: we'll need that in the future but we're so far from that being a critical part of our season. That's a skill that comes into play once you can get into the later rounds of the playoffs. That's like a getting over the hump type of skill, and it requires a roster full of players who are experienced enough to execute perfectly. That's a reason why people like Lue and MDA don't like young players. I think we can live without this elite skill for 2 more years as long as our coach is just competent at it.

It's really worrisome to me that the Clippers defense was garbage this season, he has a very good defensive roster even without Kawhi. I REALLY didn't like how it was obvious Mann should be getting more minutes and his friend Morris was not deserving of minutes this season, and many Clippers fan believe this is an extreme form of nepotism going on. It's also worrisome to me that if he loses in the playoffs this season he's probably going to be out of his second job in a row despite winning a title and that, too, is not a good sign.

I get it no one is perfect, we can make a list of flaws for any great coach but I think it's just a matter of matching the coach's flaws/strengths with our actual plan and making sure it can achieve our particular goals. I think an elite HC of veteran teams can - not always, but sometimes - struggle with a young group. I have a feeling that Lue is like JVG in that regard, would systematically dump young players just to hide his own weaknesses rather than it being because it's good for the franchise or long-term winning.

STILL, Lue and Vogel are great coaches and our roster is so young and so poorly coached thus far that I imagine any excellent coach has 2 years of lessons for them even if it's a rocky road.

 

The very best coaching candidates may not be crazy about the organization, or the immensity of the rebuild, but I think the names floated shows that the job is more valued than many of us anticipated.

I think Vogel meets the criteria of what the team is looking for- coaching success at two different stops, strong defensive principles and proven experience at building accountability. Pair him with a forward thinking offensive coach and he would be a good start to the off season.

 

Vogel also sat out one year or more than one year, I am not sure he took an assistant job.

Before he took the Laker job, he coached the Orlando Magic and like with bad teams his record was just as expected.

At least he won 25 games and 29 games. More than 22.

 

Vogel is not a geat coach, he is probably middle of the road

His best record is during the Pacers years and that team was solid...

He is 3rd or 4th on my list

 

Yeah people need to remember what city you are talking about. Houston will forget about the Rockets if they don't start winning. Its happened before and can happen again.

Three years of 42-40 seasons under Vogel will not create the buzz we need.

 

Some percentage of PG13's playoff games came under Vogel, took the bait but too lazy to go the whole way.

 

And yet you wanted to bring past their prime low IQ players like Russell Wesbrook, Carmelo Anthony, Dwight Howard, Rajon Rondo, Javale F'ing McGee, etc. I am sure I am missing some but I was ecstatic when these players were signed by the Lakers as they are literally the opposite fits that you need on a team with Lebron. Mike Miller, Austin Reaves, Danny Green, past prime Ray Allen, etc. are the type of players you run out there with Lebron with a couple of Tristan Thompson type rebounders.

Shooters with high IQ's that are at least serviceable to above average on defense and know their role. The Lakers are fortunate that players like Reaves fall in their laps and are basically forced to play him. My assumption is Lebron knows who fits with him but was hopeful one of the retreads mentioned above would work out. Granted the Lakers had limited resources but most of that was due to bad fit signings in the first place. We'll see if Lakers can get past round 1 or 2 but I am enjoying the mediocrity as well as the Westbrook Laker fall out.

 

Ag

To be crystal clear, my order of coaches is 1) Nurse; 2) Udoke; and 3) Vogel. Rockets need not rush this important decision, but those s/b the only serious considerations with Vogel being the last resort if Nurse not available and Udoke not interested. Think 45-37 record as that’s what you’ll get with Vogel. Thinking 50 wins more achievable with Udoke. Nurse not worth mentioning at this point because it appears likely he sticks with Raptors for the near future. Only hope for Nurse is if Raptors want Udoke instead and then we win the coaching lottery.