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Wemby or bust, trade the picks if we don't get Wemby.

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DaDakota, Apr 12, 2023.

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  1. OremLK

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    Plenty of cap space to increase the win total.

    Reports from insiders have us probably keeping the pick if it's in the top 3. As we should.

    The organization can be open to trading it if it's outside the top 3, but I doubt they'll find a deal good enough to be worth it.
     
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  2. theDude

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    I’m not “Wemby or Bust”, but I’d certainly be willing to trade the pick for the right return.

    I think you have to expand it to Scoot because he plays a position of extreme need on this team. It would also give us a solid player at all five positions through the past three drafts. From there, it’s time to start producing or get replaced.
     
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  3. sydmill

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    A top 5 pick should be a foundational player. You should be able to find a rotational player with the LAC pick. Trading either pick for anything less is foolish.
     
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  4. sydmill

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    A top 5 pick should be a foundational player. You should be able to find a rotational player with the LAC pick. Trading either pick for anything less is foolish.
     
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  5. futilman

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    I would be with you if you wanted to trade pick#4 and on down. Trading #2 and #3 is batsh*t crazy though.
     
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  6. kjayp

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    depends on who's available... and at what cost... vs where our pick is...

    i'm not willing to just toss Scoot Henderson into some poopoo platter with a ton of other stuff...




    oh... i get it... its a veiled kpj love (dont need henderson) thread... lol
     
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  7. SamFisher

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    "A green light of (for) shots" from the professional line, many of which were at the same age when Donovan Mitchell was at Louisville Wilkesboro Prep (NH)

    Anyway, the point is not that this number is a good predictor - the point is that it is a bad one if you're trying to disqualify 18 year old lead guards, but if you want to join the DD "Scoot is just Ish Smith" "i wouldn't trade KPJ for him" school go right ahead - which is the reason why we're talking about it.
     
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  8. YOLO

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    well in scoots case, it certainly isn't a good indicator with the circumstances mentioned previously.

    Will he get better? remains to be seen. We like to assume all young players do but that's definitely not always the case
     
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  9. DaDakota

    DaDakota Balance wins
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    I wouldn't trade KPJ for him because KPJ is at least 2 years ahead of Henderson - and as we are moving to win now mode, we should keep players that are win now or closer to it.

    Now if Henderson was someone like Chris Paul, Steph Curry or Isaiah Thomas - guys that could do everything AND shoot then no, but I value shooting above most every other skill.

    DD
     
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    Ish Smith was a 3 year starter/ 4 year player at Wake who shot 22% from 3 from the college line as a senior and measured in at - 5-11,155 when he was a freshman/Hendersons current age.

    I can't even find a predraft comparable for him because he wasn't expected to be drafted, and he wasn't!

    Henderson is 6-3, 195 with Stretch Armstrong muscle arms, all kinds of physical tools, etc.

    How is this remotely a good comparable for Scoot Henderson? o_O
     
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  11. xaos

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    Ish Smith comp is the new Corey Brewer comp, maybe worse.
     
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    Rockets would be foolish to trade any top 7 pick without getting substantial value in return. You don't need vet role players on this team. You can get those in FA. So why would you trade a great pick in this year's draft when right now you only have 6 rotational guys not counting Tate.
     
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    Well, Jalen Green shot 30% from the G league and then 34% as a rookie. So by virtue of precedent, i declare Henderson will shoot 31.5% next year.
     
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  14. DaDakota

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    Both very good floor generals with great handles who could see the floor and set players up, and Henderson is not 6'3" he is I believe 6'2" at best.

    Either way, it is about the shooting, I guess if I tried to find a better Comp for Henderson a player with great handles and good vision who struggled to shoot....mind sort of comes up missing.....

    I do think Scoot will be a good player, but I don't see all time great like some are speculating.

    Also appreciate the reasonable conversation in here - so far everyone has avoided calling everyone else who doesn't agree with their viewpoint an idiots.

    Progress.

    DD
     
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  15. DaDakota

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    No you can't.....most GREAT veteran players or even above average players are in S&T deals, there are very very few total free agents in the 24-27 age group that leave via free agency.

    We can certainly try to get players that are RFAs like Grant Williams or Cam Johnson - but their teams can match.

    DD
     
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    I agree that late 1st's and 2nd rounders are bot likely to help us much, but I would go as deep as the 4th or 5th pick before I considered trading it.
     
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  17. KingSamJack

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    We might as well trade the pick now since we're not getting wemby.
     
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  18. DaDakota

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    LOL now hold on, let's wait for the lottery, that is an interesting question though, what if the Rox put up their chances at a pick on the trading block today, would it be more valuable?

    DD
     
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  19. kjayp

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    waitaminute, waitaminute... hold the phone....

    so Scoot Henderson is pretty much a consensus #2 or #3 pick... but u wouldnt trade kpj for him...

    so.... spose we get the #1 pick... take Wemby... maybe 1 or 2 other guys come off the board (just to eliminate the 'i'd take this other guy... scenarios)... Henderson is sitting there available at #3 or #4 or whatever... we get the call... Next pick (#3 or #4 or whatever) w henderson available - straight up for kpj... and yer sayin 'no'...

    i just want to be clear...

    lol
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Yeah, I am saying no, KPJ is a better player today than Scoot Henderson and we are trying to win this next season, and I want the better guaranteed player.

    I don't care what prognosticators say...said same thing about Fultz, Bennett, Thabeet, so many many busts...or average players......look at the history of the 2nd pick it is not that good for producing star players.

    DD
     
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