Hopefully that would make Seattle agree..... If this happened you would see Rockets fans doing backflips and cracking out the champagne. We get the starting PG we've been searching for and not only do we get a better player than Taylor, but SAR's contract expires at the end of the season. Sounds almost too good to be true, I question whether these teams would really be ready to do us a huge favor like this because we are the clear winners in this deal.
Well, I agree, but every one of these teams would look better than they did before, in my opinion (I agree that Seattle might be the toughest sell here). If I was the Rockets, I'd certainly be willing to throw picks at them left and right to make this happen (let's say the 2nd round picks for the next 5 years or so...) .
Maybe Ainge is more interested in keeping his job. So the TE doesn't come into play and we still have both the MLE and the vet. exception? Too good a deal from our end, SJC, but I like it. Seems pretty unlikely. (make that extremely unlikely!)
Maybe keeping things simple is a better idea? Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor Houston receives: PF P.J. Brown New Orleans trades: PF P.J. Brown New Orleans receives: PF Maurice Taylor Why Houston does: Brown is one of the toughest players in the league and clearly one of the better defenders at his position. He would rebound, play defense, hit an occasional jumper or two and do all the little things we need. He's a JVG type player---not much question in my mind if he would fit in or not. Why New Orleans does it: With the possibilty of Mashburn on the shelf again, who is going to score points for them besides Davis? They're not a good enough defensive teams to do what Detroit, SA, and what we did last year. As it stands now, they're looking pretty bad. Taylor obviously isn't the defender Brown is, but Brown is nowhere near as talented offensively as Taylor is. However, I realize this is unlikely due to the conference re-alignments and trades between division rivals are even less likely. It would be nice though, REAL nice.
I like SJC's idea, but Seattle would have to be convinced that they can make the playoffs, and that is a TOUGH sell in the West. If they're not going to make the playoffs, is it worth taking on Lafrentz at 10M per season? Lafrentz Fortson Lewis Allen Ridnour If we can convince Seattle, it's a great deal. But aside from that, Boston may need some convincing. Solution may be to send an unprotected first from Houston to Portland while sending a heavily protected first from Portland to Boston. ------------------------------------------------------------------------ If we're going the simple way, after swapping MoT and PJ Brown, I'd also trade Weatherspoon for Howard Eisley and a draft pick. Then sign a C (Clark?) and you have: Yao/Clark PJ Brown/Howard/Clark JJ/Boki/AG T-Mac/Pike Lue/Eisley
Another possible scenario could be: Houston sends Taylor and a future #1 to NY and Spoon to Portland NY sends the expiring contracts of Othella Harrington and Mutombo to Portland Portland sends SAR to Houston To compensate Portland, in a separate trade Rockets send the TE to Portland for Ruben Patterson. Rockets upgrade the 2/3/4 spots. Assuming Kurt Thomas would start at c, Mo T would be a significant upgrade for the Knicks at 4. A future first round pick is a sweetner. Portland gets 7M cap relief and a possible 7M in luxury tax (if applicable) and the expiring contracts for a disgruntaled player. Moreover Spoon's contract is a year shorter than Patterson so that makes it more attractive for them. Houston will have to do some side deals to move Pike/A.Griffin/Nachbar/Gaines to remove the glut at 2/3 andpossible upgrade at 1/5.
How about this? Boston trades: C Raef LaFrentz (7.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 19.3 minutes) Boston receives: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes) Change in team outlook: +3.7 ppg, +0.4 rpg, and 0.0 apg. Houston trades: PF Maurice Taylor (11.5 ppg, 5.1 rpg, 1.4 apg in 27.8 minutes) SF Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 16.7 minutes) Houston receives: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 85 games) PG Antonio Daniels (8.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.2 apg in 71 games) Change in team outlook: +7.8 ppg, +0.5 rpg, and +4.2 apg. Portland trades: PF Shareef Abdur-Rahim (16.3 ppg, 7.5 rpg, 2.0 apg in 31.6 minutes) Portland receives: SF Clarence Weatherspoon (5.0 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 0.6 apg in 52 games) C Vitaly Potapenko (7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 65 games) Change in team outlook: -4.2 ppg, +0.9 rpg, and -0.6 apg. Seattle trades: PG Antonio Daniels (8.0 ppg, 2.0 rpg, 4.2 apg in 21.3 minutes) C Vitaly Potapenko (7.1 ppg, 4.5 rpg, 0.8 apg in 21.8 minutes) Seattle receives: C Raef LaFrentz (7.8 ppg, 4.7 rpg, 1.4 apg in 17 games) Change in team outlook: -7.3 ppg, -1.8 rpg, and -3.6 apg. TRADE ACCEPTED Due to Boston, Houston, Portland and Seattle being over the cap, the 15% trade rule is invoked. Boston, Houston, Portland and Seattle had to be no more than 115% plus $100,000 of the salary given out unless trade exceptions were used for the trade to be accepted, which did happen here. This trade satisfies the provisions of the Collective Bargaining Agreement. Then use the TE and a pick to take Jerome James from Seattle.
Mo Taylor and Piatkowski for Shareef Abdur Rahim AND Antonio Daniels. Hahahahahahahahaha. That trade wouldn't be considered on NBA live.
Thank you, good to see someone on planet earth. I really don't understand why we want to acquire SAR. He is a problematic player, is going to want too much money, and we have a glut at the PF position. All we need is a half way decent point guard. People chill the **** out. Let's try to just concentrate on getting what we need, not making our roster look flashy. We need a starting PG and a cheap back up center. We actually have the ability to acquire those things so let's just try to work with that. My idea - TE for Steve Blake. Sign Keon Clark or Chris Mihm. I think Mo and JH would be a good combo at the PF position. Why do we all want to catapult Mo in every trade idea. Most teams won't want his contract, it is unlikely he can be traded for equal value.
Because he is owed something like $ 27 mio. over the next three years, which limits our options to give that kind of money to better players.
Did you read the part right after what you selectively removed from my post? The part where I talk about other teams not wanting his contract, and how we are not going to get the same value for it in personel, which is basically what you just responded to me about....?
I tend to "selectively" do that in order to avoid quoting full posts. The deal is you might be willing to get less value in terms of player quality THIS year, if that takes the burden off your cap for next year and the year after next year. In other words: I'd be willing to take ANY player with an expiring contract in exchange for Mo. We might be slightly worse this year because of it (which I doubt, because Howard and Mo are somewhat redundant), but it gives us a lot more options next year and the year after that.
It really doesn't though, because we would still be over the cap without Mo's contract. In fact, even if you were to trade Mo + the TE for a SAR, where you might come out under the cap, you then lose the MLE option and end up with an equal or loss salary slot. My thinking on this might be wrong. Maybe Gater can chime in here and verify this.
Would that player of less quality be SAR? Don't be ridiculous! My point wasn't that it wouldn't be nice to be rid of Mo's contract, but that no one wants to trade for Mo, so why is every trade idea based on him. He isn't a very trade friendly player, so why do all of these dreamcasts involve him. I would just prefer to stick to reality and think of trades that might actually have an *******'s shot in prison of happening.
I believe your thinking on this is completely wrong. Without Mo's contract, next year we would be about 9-10 mio. under the cap, with all current players except Lue and A. Griffin still under contract - pretty much exactly what Mo's contract next year will be worth.
No, I think it should not have been that hard to understand. SAR is quite obviously not the player of lesser quality, but I would take a player of lesser quality, as long as his contract does not run as long as Mo's. So you are saying that seemingly lopsided trades have not happened in the NBA and never happen? You want me to pull up some examples for you?
You are forgetting McGrady's renogotiated contract, which will add $13 MIL plus back onto the cap once he invokes his player option, or, we negotiate a long term extension. So even trading away Mo + TE for Sar, and then letting SAR walk, we still won't be under the cap, at least, not enough to realize a gain over the MLE.
No, I am not forgetting it, what makes you think that? I'm counting it at $ 15.6 mio. next season...but you are probably right...I think I forgot to count Yao Ming's and Nachbar's contracts (team options)...duh. Still, I think dumping big contracts like Mo's is always better.
