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Whoever our new coach is..Keep that same energy you had with Silas

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by rocketchamp, Apr 9, 2023.

  1. Stephen_A

    Stephen_A Member

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    When did he prioritize vets over young players? What does that mean exactly? He was given a mix of players in that post Harden first year and he played the best players and lineups he had. In the past 2 years He continued to play Gordon because Gordon was a vet and one of the best players on the team. There’s much learning and knowledge that happens when you play with vets. He continued to develop the young guards along with Smith and Tari. The only move that baffled me was JC’s lack of playing time at the beginning of the season. But maybe JC wasn’t doing something right in practice we don’t know internally and coaches have their reasons.

    It has been documented on why Silas started Bruno at the beginning of the season. He sets better screens than Sengun to free shooters. He plays the high screen and roll better by sprinting to the rim and is s lob threat. And his defense in the paint and def rebound per 36 min was better. After the Silas public challenge it seemed Sengun raised his intensity and rebounded better and played better paint defense.
     
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  2. rocketchamp

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    This is why context is needed. Senguns defense is atrocious and the Rockets played faster with Fernando. Also the premise behind taking the ball outta his hands was to take the stress off Harden, so he wouldn’t wear down like he’s doing now. Of course you’re not very intelligent to remember, but all this was relative at the time
     
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  3. rocketchamp

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    The Rockets played with better pace with Bruno starting. It was visibly obvious. Gordon needed to up his trade value by starting, it was a business decision. All of this is irrelevant because we were trying to lose. Part of losing is not putting the best foot forward, hence players sitting out, lineup changes, guys playing who shouldn’t. You know what tanking is?
     
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  4. daywalker02

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    Get the memo, was not just the fans, the media jested about how awful his lineups or his in game calling was.

    I mean I get that he has gained some sympathy with a minority of fans, I do not want to throw that away for nothing either.
     
  5. Stephen_A

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    I do wonder what Nurse or any of these names could have done if they were here these 3 years with a roster that filled with almost all rookies and second year players and almost no vet leadership and guidance. We will never know. But It would be funny if we get the free agents and Victor and start winning any coach coming here would be hailed as the Messiah. However, If this new coach starts losing it will be only fair if these haters continued their hatred.
     
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  6. daywalker02

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    I do not know about Nurse but if Nurse would put his foot down and said to Stone.

    'Let me coach and do not interfere, I bench KPJ for walking out on the team or I bench KPJ because he does not fit with the team first mentality.'

    I would say he had guts to do that despite the bad record.

    Much respect.
     
  7. pippendagimp

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    not all of us here possess your insight intellect & imagination when it comes to coaching :D
     
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    It's really not.

    Sengun getting hung out to dry in constant drop coverage was atrocious. It took about 60 games for Silas to change his strategy there. Was one of the most glaring examples of Silas' stubbornly terrible coaching.
     
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  9. Believe It!

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    He's the biggest Porter pusher on here and he's talking about accountability??? LOL. Pop would have kicked his A$$ to the curb a long time ago. Silas hands were tied. All part of Stone's plan to tank.

    Whatever coach they bring in will hopefully have the power to put an end to the charade. If not in the off season, then at least the first time it becomes a problem. Culture is everything if you want to bring in good players, keep your good players and ultimately win in this league.
     
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    Of people that can tell you're stupid? Suggestion: make a list of people that can't. Work smarter, not harder.
     
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  11. daywalker02

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    Sure, you don't see the Spurs being dysfunctional when they tank.

    They may part with Gregg one day but even in rebuild he is there to help.

    Pop was a GM before being a coach so he understands what a team must do.

    Also Pop enjoys more vocal rights within the Spurs than any other coach would have.

    Buford and Pop are or were two critical building blocks in their decade long culture.
     
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    I'm sorry my friend; I shouldn't have interrupted you.
    Please go on, speak your mind. The mike is yours.

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  13. smoothie

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    we can disagree on rotations if you'd like. in the end bruno never had a future here and alpy does. so what is the point of building a system around jalen and bruno instead of jalen and alpy? short-sighted win-now goals in the only reason. Silas was trying to make him into a screen setting, rim running center. he's not. he should've been experimenting using alpy to run more DHOs, short rolls, and post ups.

    I believe Silas prioritizing wining rather than development. not only did he have his priorities out of order, when he tried to win he was not good at it. this was the major issue that got him fired IMO.
     
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  14. smoothie

    smoothie Jabari Jungle

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    so happy we spent time developing that bruno/jalen 2 man game. where is that now? its also possible to try to lose and to develop the young guys. put them in position to get better. not on the bench behind a 2-way player. not going half a season without running a play for jabari, not drawing up last second shots for Eric gordon over jalen who's job it will be to make those in the future. tanking isn't only about losing, its also prioritizing development over winning. Silas was prioritizing winning over development and wasn't even good at it.
     
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  15. rocketchamp

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    On one hand you criticize Silas for starting Bruno, but then say he was prioritizing winning? How exactly?
     
  16. burlesk

    burlesk Serious business

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    There's a pro-tanking side which says as long as we're losing it's fine (so Silas is excused). There's a competitive side that doesn't want to tank (Silas clearly loses out here). Somewhere in between there's most of the rest of us who are OK with organic tanking, and realize even a great coach focused on winning wouldn't be able to extract all that many more wins out of this team this year, so there's little fear of hurting our lottery position that much. We just wanted to see SOMETHING good happening, SOME progress with the team and with the coaching...

    This late season improvement has been too little too late, in terms of helping us feel like Silas can be the guy to really get us to the next level. There have been few observable signs of progress that Silas could hang his hat on; we had a similar bump in performance at the end of last year, but we did not see the Rockets build on that at the start of this year, it seemed like more of the same kind of floundering around we saw most of last year. This year we were supposed to be a tough team to play, they said, a team that would punch you in the mouth. That didn't happen often enough. Our average scoring margin was -7.9. Last year it was -8.5. Probably just what you might expect from natural growth and progression in a vacuum.

    And yes it's true about CF that we tend to be pretty hard on coaches. Mostly we don't follow the team BECAUSE of a coach. I don't worry that any future coach will get too much coddling. (Though of course there are always exceptions amongst us motley CF crew.). I don't remember ANY Rockets coach who hasn't been called lots of creative names on here... Probably even Rudy T would have had his haters.

    Maybe if Silas was given a chance with a team and an organization that was trying to win next year we'd see something different. So there's that side, the Fairness side. But shouldn't he have shown us SOMETHING that would cause us to feel GOOD about those odds? I don't feel he's owed another chance to do that.
     
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  17. clos4life

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    Track record juuuuuust a little bit different between them.
     
  18. mfastx

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    They have a significantly less talented roster AND they were holding out their healthy best players all season on a rotating basis.
     
  19. lnchan

    lnchan Sugar Land Leonard
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    Forced? There were other options.
     
  20. bleedroxred79

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    You can take that approach with some validity but Silas underperformed. He took the nice guy approach and it eventually fails. Human nature is the take advantage of passive leaders
     

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