Shareef wants out...... should the Rocks take a look.....

I don't understand how you can say that SAR is a terrible player because he has never played on a winner. If that is the case... people here will start saying that Kobe sucks next year when the Lakers end up in the lottery.

SAR is a top 10 power forward in the association.

The author of the article states that the root of the problem is that SAR wants more touches... that is his assumption. Not fact unless we hear it from the players mouth.

He would strengthen our team tremendously at both the PF and Center positon since it would allow Howard to slide over there from time to time.

If you followed Portland last year... SAR did not complain once about his role on the Blazers... he just came out and did his job in a low key, unassuming fashion... just as he has done all year.

Salary dump and cap considerations aside... it would be a great move to pick him up.

Those of you who don't see that are not thinking objectively.

 

Some of ya'all need to do your cap homework. Or at a minimum, don't be so blind about the value of cap space. It's overated. Ask the Bulls, Hawks and even the Suns.

Right now, the Rox have $52.5m committed for 2005-06. The Rockets would likely have to trade both Taylor and Howard in some 3 or 4 teamer because Kittles' expiring contract, Harris and A. Williams are a far better deal than Spoon and Mo or Juwan. Thus Abdur-Rahim's expiring $14.6m gives the Rockets a committed 2005-06 payroll of $37.9m.

Let's say the cap doesn't change from it's current $43.87m (it only went up 30k from last year to next season). That means the Rox have given up decent players and depth for $1m more than the current MLE. And it gets worse.

Seldom does the cap flucuate by more than 5%. If the current cap got bumped by 5%, the Rox would have $8m as the absolute best case scenario. But wait.....

Before you can get that $8m (or any cap space from the expiring contract), you have to renounce Abdur-Rahim's Bird Rights. So next summer, you have all of these possibilities..

* Have as little as $1m more than the mle in cap space
* Be forced to re-sign SAR and thus staying over the cap and only having an MLE.
* Have to replace Mo and Howard and Lue with MLE $.
* Get screwed by the next CBA and lose SAR and still not have more than an MLE $.
* Let SAR walk and hope next year's market isn't as ridiculous as the current market because we wouldn't have been able to get Okur with $8m this year.

Given all of the economic cross currents and the fact that I am only mildy impressed by Abdur-Rahim, I'd rather keep Howard and Taylor.

 

If we have 8M in capspace, we can sign TWO MLE players though right?

Also, are you assuming we trade the TE in this deal for SAR? is the TE included in your 52M cap figure?

BTW, I've also been meaning to ask.... Is there any way the new CBA will somehow increase the salary CAP number? Meaning, it's around 45M now... Will they or can they negotiate to make that number slightly bigger? Do the owners know something that we don't know which is pushing them to spend money more freely this offseason?

 

Ok, first, I think that we can top Kittles + A. Williams + Hunter with some combination of our players and the TE. Mo T + Pike + Boki + TE for Patterson is better than Kittles +. Second, we may be able to three-team it and come up with Kittles anyway, who's the only good part of the Nets deal. Third, I think we keep Howard, regardless. He can backup both spots reasonably effectively. He has the lower contract, he's the better player, and he gets along with JVG. If Howard backs up both spots and the starters are SAR and Yao that's pretty darn good talent up front.

The rest is just speculation, culminating in an opinion you had before you started typing. You would have been more honest just to say you don't like SAR and his game won't fit.

If we resign SAR to the same deal he has...which we won't...it'd be the same as keeping Mo, Pike and Boki...who will contribute less.

For you Boki nuts --- get a life. He's got potential..and that's worth jack crap. Sure I hate to trade him - for an allstar. Some of you won't ever trade anybody. You will never be management if you can't fire someone. Move on up.

 

Again, Kittles+L.Harris may be a fair deal on paper but doesn't match Blazers needs. They already have R. Patterson, Derek Anderson, Q. Woods, Trenton Hassel, D. Miles and Richie Frahm as their swingmen, plus NVE will share the court with Damon at times as a SG. Mo Taylor + Howard gives them depth upfront which is what they need...

 

1. Tracy McGrady =made playoffs serveral times (raptors,pre-juwan magic)
2. Yao Ming=were in you in america last year?
3. Mo Taylor=same as #2
4. Juwan Howard=blah blah blah
5. Jim Jackson=sames as #2


Yo All of these dudes made the playoffs, even crappy Juwan.

Shareef has been at the bottom of the cellar his whole career.

Any guy who threatens to leave his team cause he's getting out played by another player should raise a red flag. Also if he gets 14mill/year.

Also a red flag is that New Jersey wouldnt pull the trigger for Kerry Kittles. Kerry Kittles!

 

I don't see why he doesn't want to play in Portland. They have a nice team with some talent. They could be a good team:

NVE-Stoudemire-Telfair
Anderson-Dickau
SAR-Patterson
Randolph
Ratilff

I don't think we have much of a chance of getting SAR, but it wouldn't be a bad addition. Worst comes to worst, we get 14M off the books next season.

 

This thread is just a joke so you guys are forcing me to defend Juwan Howard!


Shareef is not a good team player, its more obvious than Juwan. At least Juwan and Webber played well together at Michigan.

Besides Shareef THINKS he's an ELITE player, he wants his 20pts a game which WILL NOT happen with TMAC/YAO. Also the Blazers were praising this guy as a GOOD GUY after dropping SHEED. Dude Sheed didn't want to leave and Shareef is threatening the team with a hold out if they don't trade him?

Lets take a look at previous NBA champion power forwards.

Rasheed Wallace
Tim Duncan
Robert Horry
Robert Horry
Robert Horry
Tim Duncan
Denis Rodman
Denis Rodman
Denis Rodman
Robert Horry
Robert Horry
Horrace Grant
Horrace Grant
Denis Rodman
Denis Rodman

 

Your point is lost on me here. SAR is better than Horry, Grant and a more complete ball player than Rodman. So... your point?

 

Better what? Stats?

Ask Sean Elliot about Robert Horry's stats when he popped a three in face in game 1 against the Rockets.

Ask Kobe how hard it was to drive when Wallace in the lane.

Ask Shawn Kemp how it feels to almost get a board from Rodman.

You dudes LOVE STATS, I guess you must really good at Fantasy Sports.But in the real NBA, Strong Defense and Heart and Clutch shooting win championships.

If Shareef was so deserable why don't the Lakers drop Horry back in the day?

Today's Shareef vs Rodman in his prime with Yao and TMAC..

Hmmmmm
I think the fact that Rodman in his prime got 15 boards a game would make Yao and Tmac very happy.

I think Shareef must be on his period since he's whinning about Zach Randolf. At least when Pippen whinned, he had some rings.

 

How many games did Otis Thorpe win in Sacramento before he became a Rocket?

 

How many times does Otis Thorpe threaten his team with a lockout? Don't compare a nice workman like Otis to this premadonna.

 

Shareef is a rich man's Juwan Howard.

We've got the real thing; I'll pass especially at that price.

 

OMG. Can you please tell me where he said he would not play? The author of the article and SAR's agent might make assumptions... but that does not mean that SAR will sit out. The man said that he was told that he was going to be traded... and he hasn't been. Can't fault him for getting upset at that.

Bottom line... SAR can play. His stats and high shooting percentage speak to such.

 

STATS STATS STATS

He doesn't fit on our team. How about we get Attoine Walker and Attoine Jamison for our PFs (great stats)..Oh, that was the Mavericks!

The Lakers won with Kobe and Shaq and a bunch of role players. I think that was good formula. You can argue that Shareef can beat Robert Horry all you want.

Tmac and Yao plus role players who dont make 14million a year.
Is that a bad formula?

 

if we can get him to come here for a year rental and then have the cap space thats great... but the question is if u are SAR, why go to houston?
The ball will soon be in his court... i just dont see why he would want to come and play for the rockets when he obviously wants a different role.

 

exactly,
we already had a Pippen rental. Been there done that.
Overrated players with high salaries.. Been there done that.

 

Thats why he wants out. Portland is a Team full of Pot heads, nutcases and criminals. also he sees how portland Destroyed kemp's Career. kemp was in an Indentical Situation and now his out of the League.

 

Sane -
Not sure what you mean. The range of cap space from an expiring Abdur-Rahim is $5.9m (assumes no change from 2004-05 cap to 2005-06 cap) to $8m (best case scenario on a 5% increase of 2005-06 over 2004-05).

In the best case scenario, you get 1 MLE player (~$5m) and one $3m player. I guess that's two but if the market remains as the summers', you get one Okur for your $8m.

Case in point. Adonal Foyle got $6.6m. Foyle and a $1.4m player for Abdur-Rahim's expiring contract. Adonal Foyle and $1.4m player for Mo and Juwan? No thanks.

Not sure what the connection is. The TE expires in Sept. 2004 and SAR's contract expires in June 2005. They seem like mutually exclusive conditions.

Also, my figure of $52.5m committed for 2005-06 is the Rox current payroll with no additional contracts. Signing Damon Jones or Antonio Daniels and a Yao backup to multiple year deals means eating into the $8m best case cap space. IOW, if we signed Damon Jones to a 3 year deal starting at $3m and we aquired SAR's expiring contract and the cap rose 5%...we'd have less cap space than MLE $ for 2005-06.

$52.5 + DJ @ $3m - SAR @ 14.6 = $40.9M.

First, the cap is not "around $45m". It's $43.87. Secondly, the current cap (and LTax) are based upon a percentage of BRI (Basketball Related Income). The current CBA expires prior to the 05-06 season and both sides want to avoid another lockout.

But both sides obviously want the %ages slanted in their favor. Increasing the cap in the next CBA is a combination of 1) giving the players a larger %age of BRI and/or 2) leaving the %age the same and BRI increases.

Do the GM's "know" anything? IMHO, no. They may be taking a calculated risk overspending now on the assumption that the new CBA will drive salaries downward. IOW, it's a "hedge". If I overspend now and the cap goes up, my new contracts are in line with the increase. If I overspend now and the cap goes down, I've locked in players that I won't be able to sign after this summer.

 

I think you are assuming we keep SAR. Doesn't the value of an expiring contract shoot WAY up around the trading deadline? If he is not a fit at that point, you can deal him again and get a better fit for a playoff push. And have something of immense value to teams to do so with, more value that Taylor or Witherspoon. And more value to other teams than us for the reasons you mentioned.