1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

[Official] Spring Training Thread

Discussion in 'Houston Astros' started by Castor27, Feb 19, 2023.

  1. SuraGotMadHops

    Joined:
    Nov 10, 2009
    Messages:
    6,605
    Likes Received:
    8,178
    How about 323 major league plate appearances? Which is what Meyers has, and has done oogatz with it. Maybe give another youngster a shot.
     
  2. Snake Diggit

    Snake Diggit Member

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2012
    Messages:
    14,839
    Likes Received:
    24,150
    Dirden’s AAA slash line last year? .240/.300/.400, in an offense friendly league. A 73 wRC+. He’s far from a sure bet to succeed in the majors right now.

    Meyers has produced 1.5 fwar (somewhere between $10M and $15M in value) in those 323 pa (100 games), which is only about 2/3 of a season’s worth. That’s a pace to end up somewhere between 2.0-2.5 over a full season. Let’s also not forget that for a significant portion of that time he was either injured or facing big league pitching for the 1st time. If he’s a 2.5 win CF, that would likely place him among the 10-15 best CF in the league.

    But even ignoring all that, Meyers projects for a 95 wRC+, Dirden a 99 wRC+. So while Dirden does project to be ever so slightly better with the bat, when you factor in defense, baserunning, and the fact that Meyers is already on the 40 man roster and Dirden is not, it’s a pretty easy choice for Houston to choose Meyers over Dirden for the opening day roster.
     
    astros123 and prospecthugger like this.
  3. Redfish81

    Redfish81 Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2016
    Messages:
    4,772
    Likes Received:
    6,885
    Not loving what I am seeing between Framber and Korey Lee. Just doesn't look like they are on the same page.
     
    Nook and astros123 like this.
  4. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,001
    Likes Received:
    175,628
     
    #1144 J.R., Mar 24, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 24, 2023
    Nook, mikol13, IBTL and 1 other person like this.
  5. Yordan The Great

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2019
    Messages:
    6,704
    Likes Received:
    9,300
    You are absolutely correct. At least a 2/1 split in favor of Dubon. It's going to be a tragedy.
     
  6. VanityHalfBlack

    Joined:
    May 7, 2009
    Messages:
    18,710
    Likes Received:
    4,282
    I’m just messing around. Opening day LFG!
     
  7. Marshall Bryant

    Joined:
    Feb 4, 2018
    Messages:
    10,463
    Likes Received:
    6,204
    I show 5 2/3 IP for Framber but Buttrey had a hard time getting that last out in the 6th.

    I do expect Tucker to start opening day.
     
  8. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,001
    Likes Received:
    175,628
  9. Tuckmose

    Tuckmose Member

    Joined:
    Jun 17, 2022
    Messages:
    2,405
    Likes Received:
    3,941
    Dirden but no Hensley?
     
    No Worries likes this.
  10. Bobbythegreat

    Bobbythegreat Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jan 23, 2013
    Messages:
    68,552
    Likes Received:
    32,033
    I think Hensley's spot is relatively secure as the guy who will fill in for Altuve, Dubon and Dirden have a lot more to prove so they are getting the extra at bats.
     
  11. MAstroS

    MAstroS Member

    Joined:
    Aug 2, 2017
    Messages:
    419
    Likes Received:
    596
    I fully expect Dubon to be the starting 2B on opening day.

    1. He is the "vet" and Dusty will say he is more comfortable with him.

    2. Valdez is pitching and Dusty will say he is the better groundball player (much like he was the better defensive cf last year when JV pitched).

    3. This will get Dubon on the All-Star ballot.

    4. Dusty plays favorites (especially with "vets vs. rookies).

    5. Dubon is a personal friend. See 4 above.
     
  12. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,258
    Likes Received:
    102,341
    With no Altuve, I bat Bregman leadoff. But that's just me.
    3-5 are completely meaningless. 2 and 1 are the ones that matter.
     
    Nook, astros123 and No Worries like this.
  13. raining threes

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2008
    Messages:
    18,503
    Likes Received:
    13,380
    Should the decision be made after watching Meyers play over the last year?
     
  14. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,001
    Likes Received:
    175,628
  15. BlindHog

    BlindHog Member

    Joined:
    Aug 12, 2021
    Messages:
    2,197
    Likes Received:
    1,740
    Dusty is Dusty, nothing I have always hated about him has changed.
     
  16. marks0223

    marks0223 2017 and 2022 World Series Champions
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Jul 19, 2007
    Messages:
    11,870
    Likes Received:
    17,416
    Having never managed a World Series champion changed. You're already hating him for something that hasn't happened yet.
     
  17. IdStrosfan

    IdStrosfan Member

    Joined:
    Nov 26, 2021
    Messages:
    8,734
    Likes Received:
    10,985
    Absolutely.

    Meyers had POSITIVE 0.5 bWAR in less than 1/3 of a season, while not recovered from a shoulder injury and looking TERRIBLE.

    Justin Dirden could be an Eric Anthony clone.

    Anthony had NEGATIVE bWAR his first 2 partial seasons as an Astro and negative for his entire career.

    This is after him being just as highly regarded as Dirden is now.

    Meyers has proven even at his worst he has the floor of a productive MLB centerfielder.

    Dirden may end up being better, and I hope he is ( both are actually) a very productive player for the Astros.

    But he has done nothing yet. He has earned nothing yet.

    Meyers is under the spotlight and that is perfectly fair. He needs to produce, and nothing should be handed to him, but he does not deserve to be "passed up" on the depth chart by a guy who does not have a single MLB plate appearance.
     
    cmlmel77, No Worries and Snake Diggit like this.
  18. Buck Turgidson

    Joined:
    Feb 14, 2002
    Messages:
    100,258
    Likes Received:
    102,341
    Giving the guy s**t when he deserves s**t is one thing, preemptive s**t is pretty s**tty
     
  19. J.R.

    J.R. Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2008
    Messages:
    114,001
    Likes Received:
    175,628
     
    #1159 J.R., Mar 25, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2023
  20. Yordan The Great

    Joined:
    Oct 17, 2019
    Messages:
    6,704
    Likes Received:
    9,300
    But we are talking about Dusty.

    You've been paying attention?

    Dubon will get the majority of ABs at second in Altuve's absence.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now