1. Welcome! Please take a few seconds to create your free account to post threads, make some friends, remove a few ads while surfing and much more. ClutchFans has been bringing fans together to talk Houston Sports since 1996. Join us!

Rafael Stone the HEDGE GOD! Why Stone has done a great job rebuilding the Rockets

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Feb 9, 2023.

  1. kubli9

    kubli9 Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    Mar 30, 2002
    Messages:
    3,042
    Likes Received:
    4,465
    It's been rumored by a reputable source and it very well could happen.
     
  2. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,902
    Likes Received:
    111,089
    Burt Steele.jpg
     
  3. Francis3422

    Francis3422 Member

    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2000
    Messages:
    7,993
    Likes Received:
    5,674
    He’s coming home.
     
  4. leebigez

    leebigez Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 24, 2001
    Messages:
    15,487
    Likes Received:
    586
    Orlando started 5-20 and now are 23-26.
     
  5. Os Trigonum

    Os Trigonum Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2014
    Messages:
    72,902
    Likes Received:
    111,089
  6. daywalker02

    daywalker02 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2006
    Messages:
    89,612
    Likes Received:
    43,160
    Os Trigonum likes this.
  7. dmoneybangbang

    Joined:
    May 5, 2012
    Messages:
    20,999
    Likes Received:
    12,870
    Two years that corresponding to the two years in which we wanted to be as bad as possible and then given a contract that we pretty much get to decide every season if we want to renew.

    I don't really view Porter as that much of a gamble or investment and I think he does have some trade value but probably not much (second round picks were pretty hot this deadline). I won't argue that overall our rookies have been disappointing, but we have created some trade value among our players to fill our war chest of picks with.

    The roster coming off the offseason well be telling of Stone.

    Dipo was a mistake. LaVert's cancerous mass on his kidney would have been found during the Rocket's physical so he'd miss the same amount of time due to having his kidney removed. I would hope that Tilman would still go through the deal during the initial physical.

    It was just a poor timing of having Harden demand a trade in public during the middle of the season, wish the Rockets could have done it during the beginning.
     
    PatBev and Medicine N Music like this.
  8. Medicine N Music

    Medicine N Music Contributing Member
    Supporting Member

    Joined:
    May 2, 2006
    Messages:
    1,135
    Likes Received:
    1,083
    With Jabari's recent play did anyone change their opinion on Stone?

    I understand complaints many posters have about Stone. He waited to trade EG, forced KPJ on Silas, created a poor culture, didn't draft Mobley, etc. All fair takes.

    However, we have 3 players (Sengun/Bari/Green) w/ potential to be the top 2-3 players on a championship team (ceiling, not median outcome), along with a likely elite 3/D player (Tari), rotational pieces (KJ, Garuba, Tate, KPJ?,), 2 picks this year, and Nets' picks/swaps. We also have ~$60-70 million cap space (projected from Spotrac), so it may be an eventful summer.

    While we don't have that superstar (yet), if you told me we'd have our current roster I would have been ecstatic.

    Btw, I did not expect Jabari to be good this year. As I've stated many times on bbs and live chats, Jabari is so young (4 months younger than Thompson twins) that we needed to give him a lot more time than usual. It seems like he may be ready to contribute next year instead of 2 years down the line.
     
  9. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jun 3, 2002
    Messages:
    56,216
    Likes Received:
    48,053
    Hedge Honcho is back in business.
     
    i3artow i3aller likes this.
  10. Aruba77

    Aruba77 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 7, 1999
    Messages:
    13,594
    Likes Received:
    14,600
    Objectively speaking the verdict is out on Stone. I like Bari, Tari, Sengun, and believe Jalen’s floor is a good scorer. KJ was a real find in the 2nd round. Yes he’s drafted talent. But his judgment has been pretty poor. He owns the coaching choice. He owns the Wood, Wall, Olidipo, KPJ choices and the poor club culture. He owns passing on Jarret Allen. it’s a very mixed bag.

    and I’m not sure the KPJ contract is going to end up being a tradable asset. We might be straightjacketed into another year of KPJ at big money, even if he’s not a fit.

    I need to see more from our GM. As everyone realizes, he’ll be rightfully judged by what happens this offseason and what the team looks like next season.
     
    #170 Aruba77, Mar 14, 2023
    Last edited: Mar 14, 2023
    AroundTheWorld and withmustard like this.
  11. larsv8

    larsv8 Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Nov 11, 2007
    Messages:
    21,663
    Likes Received:
    13,914
    Let the man build his team before you judge him.
     
    DaDakota likes this.
  12. Rokman

    Rokman Member

    Joined:
    Jun 27, 2008
    Messages:
    4,752
    Likes Received:
    4,788
    Can we wait til 2030 before judging Stone. . . . PLEASE??? GAH!!
     
  13. Doctor Robert

    Doctor Robert Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Feb 16, 1999
    Messages:
    3,298
    Likes Received:
    839
  14. MaxRider

    MaxRider Member

    Joined:
    Jun 22, 2006
    Messages:
    2,558
    Likes Received:
    1,439
    No. I don't trust whoever think Nix has lottery pick potential.
     
  15. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,572
    Likes Received:
    27,162
  16. kjayp

    kjayp Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2006
    Messages:
    8,674
    Likes Received:
    7,432
    seems to me our best assets at this point may very well be those 'treadmill of mediocrity' picks (Sengun, Tari, hopefully maybe Cam)

    for those unaware... when the rox were consistently drafting mid first round, many complained we were on the 'treadmill of mediocrity' and needed to tank for a star...

    well we tanked... but those aint the picks that are working out for us...

    Jabari is improving...

    but imagine if we had traded away the Green pick (#2), the Jabari pick (#3) and the Amen pick (#4)... and still got Sengun, Tari, Cam etc....

    imagine the established talent we coulda got trading a #2, #3 and #4!!!! and then paired that up with our 'treadmill of mediocrity' picks....

    heck... i aint even going into the other frp we squandered... Tyty, JC, etc...


    I know, I know.... 'u gotta tank and get a top pick to get a superstar...' ... i understand the philosophy... but look at the reality.... hindsight is 20/20... and pound for pound... id rather have the 'treadmill of mediocrity' players - than the players we got from tanking...
     
    kubli9, snowconeman22 and Y2JT like this.
  17. Verbal Christ

    Verbal Christ Member

    Joined:
    Feb 20, 2009
    Messages:
    17,572
    Likes Received:
    27,162
  18. studogg

    studogg Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Jul 1, 2002
    Messages:
    5,959
    Likes Received:
    2,503
    so much wow. U cray cray. Best rockets basketball in years with multiple players flashing incredibly high ceilings. Top notch defense. Competitive in year one of the non-tank. The rebuild has been nothing but a success so far.
     
    OkayAyeReloaded likes this.
  19. jim1961

    jim1961 Member

    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2010
    Messages:
    17,370
    Likes Received:
    13,250
    I am greedy though and want 2/3 to hit :D
    In addition, I want to know who the miss is so we can stop wasting time on him ;)
     
    matchesmalone likes this.
  20. SamFisher

    SamFisher Contributing Member

    Joined:
    Apr 14, 2003
    Messages:
    58,881
    Likes Received:
    36,452
    Yeesh yeah that's lowering the bar.

    It's good the Rockets plucked one all star level player in the mid first round in Sengun - but really one of Green or Thompson has to hit another level (all star) for those picks not to have been disappointment relative to their draft position. I don't see Smith's play style as getting lots of votes.
     

Share This Page

  • About ClutchFans

    Since 1996, ClutchFans has been loud and proud covering the Houston Rockets, helping set an industry standard for team fan sites. The forums have been a home for Houston sports fans as well as basketball fanatics around the globe.

  • Support ClutchFans!

    If you find that ClutchFans is a valuable resource for you, please consider becoming a Supporting Member. Supporting Members can upload photos and attachments directly to their posts, customize their user title and more. Gold Supporters see zero ads!


    Upgrade Now