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Should there be a national secession?

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by Reeko, Feb 21, 2023.

  1. rocketsjudoka

    rocketsjudoka Member

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    And there were neighbors fighting neighbors along with family members fighting each other during the US civil war.

    If there is another “civil war” it will be even more mixed since there are blue areas in red states and vice versa.
     
  2. Commodore

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    not to a meaningful degree
     
  3. rocketsjudoka

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    It’s also within states the high population areas that tend to be Democratic that provide much of the tax base.
     
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    Im also fairly sure most of the military would follow the legal chain of command. If it is a "conservative succession" the military would be duty bound by their oaths to stop it. They tend to take that kind of stuff pretty seriously.

    I'm sure a bunch of grunts and a few perfidious officers would try and sneak away, but the US military as a group is going to be on the side of the United States of America, not the new CSA.

    In the battle of the US Army vs the Georgia National Guard Reserve, my money's on the US Army.
     
  5. Mr.Scarface

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    Don't be dense.
     
  6. Mr.Scarface

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    Are we going to let the Blue Cities of Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Antonio, El Paso, and Corpus "divorce" Texas? Texas will be hurting if that is the case.
     
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  7. Xerobull

    Xerobull ...and I'm all out of bubblegum
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    Ehhh…Dallas? Let’s not be too hasty bro.
     
  8. ROXRAN

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    Dallas is like the Memphis of Tennessee. Lol no one would miss either city
     
  9. deb4rockets

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    Republicans don't want to acknowledge that fact. Without those Blue cities the Red(neck) states would be broke as hell.
     
  10. JuanValdez

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    I don't think that's so. Texas has significant oil and gas assets in the west, north, and out in the gulf, and refining capability all along the gulf coast outside the boundaries of liberal Houston. Also significant agriculture and ranch land. And suburban and exurban neighborhoods have a lot of human capital with plenty of experienced white collar professionals. A seceding Texas would probably be one of the strongest parts of the new red nation, even if the big metros weren't part of the deal. I guess we would have to fight over who gets the port. That's a gray area and hugely important.
     
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  11. King1

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    We'd prefer fakes like yourself go away
     
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  12. Reeko

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    a quick search shows me that Texas total GDP was 1.8 trillion in 2020

    Dallas - 535B
    Houston - 489B
    Austin - 168B

    that’s over half of the GDP coming from just 3 cities

    Houston is the energy capitol of the world…the Medical Center…there is a huge amount of major companies setting up shop in places like Houston, and something tells me they wouldn’t be eager to shift to Lubbock or Waco instead

    Texas without Houston, Austin, and Dallas might still be one of the strongest parts of a GOP nation because the rest of it would pretty much be absolute sh*t
     
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  13. StupidMoniker

    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    The Dems don't like to recognize it, but the rural areas of the country do provide very critical goods and services, not the least of which are food and energy. If there were a split not only of states but of cities from rural areas, the rural areas would be suffering from lack of money, but the urban areas would starve to death in the dark. The economy relies on both rural and urban industries to survive and thrive. You can't eat a computer or a court case. You can't run the lights on a restaurant or a mall. It is the specialization of both that lets the modern economy exist at all.
     
  14. tinman

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    Elon is a Texan
    God bless Elon
     
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    Nashville is the Dallas of Tennessee
     
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    You and the tinmen are puure Texas, huh? No fake?
     
  17. King1

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    And you are an Austin liberal
     
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    I don't wear no Stetson, but I'm willin to bet, son, that I'm as big a Texan as you are.-- Terry Allen

    I'm a proper Hill Country Democrat, from the land of LBJ, if you have to call me an anything.
     
  19. JuanValdez

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    I guess my point is that you can't realistically split the big wealth generators of Texas down a red/blue line. Houston generates a ton of GDP, using corporate offices in a liberal area but plants in conservative areas. Human capital is important, but it's easier to move a trading desk to Port Arthur than it is to move a cracker into metro Houston. Investment banks in NYC aren't like that maybe, but the Texas economy relies on access to assets outside of the metros. To take one example Apache is in the Galleria area, but their assets are in the Permian. If their exploration business is suddenly in a different country, how long do you think they're staying in the Galleria?
     
  20. rocketsjudoka

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    Yes rural areas are important too but they is more reason why a red blue secession is very unlikely to happen in this country.
     

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