Well said ragingFire. Obviously Juan BonJovi does NOT have a clue. I wonder what his idea is of a non-sissy sport?
And she prob punches you too (in fact, very likely), but I doubt she'll be getting in the ring soon. Then again, I've never seen your sister.
Some context: Jones' Ex-Husband Claims She Used Drugs Reports Say Ex-Husband of Marion Jones Tells Officials She Used Steroids During 2000 Olympics The Associated Press July 23, 2004 — The ex-husband of three-time Olympic champion Marion Jones told federal investigators that she used several banned performance-enhancing drugs during the 2000 Olympics in Sydney, two newspapers reported. Jones won an unprecedented five track medals at those games, three of them gold. Her attorney Joseph Burton accused C.J. Hunter of lying out of bitterness over the breakup of the couple's marriage. Hunter told Internal Revenue Service investigators that he injected his then-wife with banned substances and saw Jones inject herself with the drugs at their home in Australia, the San Francisco Chronicle said. The San Jose Mercury News also reported Hunter's comments, citing anonymous sources. Human growth hormone, the steroid THG, insulin and the endurance-boosting drug EPO were among the substances Hunter alleged Jones used. Angela DeMent, Hunter's lead attorney, told the Mercury News, "It is totally inappropriate for me or any attorney to publicly comment about the facts of a pending case or pending investigation. That being said, perjury is a serious crime and those who commit that crime should be punished accordingly." Hunter, the 1999 world shot put champion, tested positive for steroids four times in 2000 when he was married to Jones. At a packed news conference in Sydney where Hunter broke down in tears and tried to explain away his positive tests, Victor Conte sat by his side and commented as his "nutritionist." Conte founded the Bay Area Laboratory Co-Operative and is one of four people charged with distributing steroids through the laboratory. Jones and boyfriend Tim Montgomery world record holder at 100 meters were among those who testified before the grand jury that indicted the four. Jones has asked that her grand jury testimony be made public, and has provided a lie detector test results as evidence she told the truth when she adamantly denied using banned substances. Montgomery, however, is among four track athletes accused by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency of drug violations, even though they have not tested positive. The accusations are based on evidence gathered by the USADA as a result of the BALCO probe. USADA is seeking to ban all four from the sport for life. Last month, the Chronicle published what it said was Montgomery's grand jury testimony in which he admitted using steroids. Jones remains under investigation by BALCO, although she has not been formally accused of any offense. Travis Tygart, director of legal affairs for the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency, would not comment specifically on Jones' case. But, he said, "USADA is extremely appreciative of those individuals who come forward with relevant information and USADA is following up on every lead it receives." Jones has qualified only for the long jump at next month's Athens Olympics. Citing investigators' memos, the Chronicle reported that Hunter gave a 2 1/2-hour interview to IRS investigators on June 8 in Raleigh, N.C., and had a follow-up call a week later. During the interview, Hunter alleged that Jones had used banned substances before, during and after the Sydney Olympics. "Hunter stated that he saw Jones inject herself with EPO," IRS agent Erwin Rogers wrote in one of the memos quoted by the Chronicle. "Jones would inject herself in the front waist line area slightly underneath the skin. ... Initially, Hunter injected Jones because Jones did not want to inject herself in this location." Hunter said that Jones obtained performance-enhancing drugs from Conte and her then-coach Trevor Graham. Graham has denied every supplying an athlete with banned substances. Three of the sprinters Graham coaches Shawn Crawford, Justin Gatlin and LaTasha Colander qualified for the U.S. team in Athens and are considered medal contenders. http://abcnews.go.com/wire/Sports/ap20040723_440.html -------------- She has never been tested positive, as far as I know...
I did not refer to a particular athlete in my last post, other than Marion Jones, but I think it is fair to say that there is at least some doping in cycling, and therefore I would say this is related news...especially since she had never been tested positive, and the current Tour de France seems surprisingly "clean"...
That's disingenuous. It's obvious why you posted this. You haven't expressed a concern over doping in cycling, just what Lance does.
Well, the one that is being accused in track & field now by her former husband is the one that was the best in her disciplines for years...and she never got tested positive. It's not like I invented some connection there that has never been discussed in the media... Anyway, I hereby express my concern over doping in cycling in general.
IIRC, you said that you wouldn't bring up the issue about Lance again until there is real evidence. Then you post an article about another athlete being accused by no less than her estranged ex-husband and act as if that's now a 'fact'. You don't see a problem here?
This reminds me of the "Some trial lawyers are bad and John Edwards is a trial lawyer, therefore John Edwards is bad" thread. I haven't gotten in on the SJC angle too much, but if he's right I suspect we'll know in a few years. I don't think he is right though. We're talking about a guy who had cancer all over his body. Lord knows I'm no MD, but it seems to me that doing the kinds of drugs we're talking about would be excellent food for cancer cells and I just can't see Lance doing that. There's no doubt that the cancer affected him greatly and it certainly altered his physical makeup. Perhaps it did the same to his tolerance for pain, and I think he has made comments to that effect in the past. All great athletes are freaks to some degree or another... I think Lance just underwent some sort of low-level Spiderman-like transformation and as he passed through his cancer phase went from a good bike-rider to a great bike-rider. Yes, he sometimes comes off like a jerk and yes, he did sacrifice his marriage so he could focus on the bike, but those things are played out in every town every day among people in different jobs and carrying much less fame. You can fault him for that, but you would also have to criticize a lot of humanity. All you can do is respect the man's accomplishments... sort of like me with Bird... I thought he was an ass and I hated the Celtics, but I enjoyed watching him play even though I rooted against him in every game. Or the Steelers vs. the Oilers during the Earl Era. And by the way, I am comfortable in saying the sprint yesterday was not drugs but sheer determination to deny a German victory after the fans went a little overboard on Huez. If Bird was a biker, that's exactly what he would have done.
Originally posted by Sir Jackie Chiles Again, I didn't mention Lance. You didn't have to, did you? WTH would you post that article here unless it was WRT to Lance? Plus, I said she was "accused", not that it was a fact. The only relevance this article could have to this thread is: 1) You see the doping as analogous to Lance; 2) You think that even though she 'IS' guilty of doping, her results never came up positive 'EITHER'. Just admit it and move on.
Notice it's always Ex this and Ex that comes out accusing. I'll be much more interest when a party that has something to lose actually makes a statement. I have plenty of Ex's in my life and they aren't the most credible people because they feel as though they have to get back somehow to feel good.
Could someone explain to me the whole thing with Lance chasing down in the escape pack after seeing Simeoni do it? I understand there is animosity between the two, but I don't understand biking well enough to see why Simeoni would slow and not try to win the stage with Lance up there with him. And why would the other bikers in the pack ask Simeoni to leave and why would he listen? http://sports.espn.go.com/oly/news/story?id=1845109
I may not be accurate, but I would think Lance's Postal team would not just leave him out at the front by himself, meaing Landis, Azevedo, etc would have to come up and catch the chase group as well, thus decreasing the chase group's chance of winning the stage. So they asked Simeoni to leave, and he did. Just a guess.
Seems like Lance would not let them escape because that would have given Simeoni a chance to win the stage. It stated that the other riders knew that they would have no chance for a stage win with Lance there. That's why they asked Simeoni to leave.
Yep, sounds like Lance basically didn't want this guy to have any chance at winning the stage. That's why he chased him down, and let it be known the if Simeoni attempted to actually lead and win the stage, Lance would be there with him to deny it. The other riders knew that was the only real motivation Lance had for expending the energy and moving up to the front, so they asked Simeoni to leave so they would still have a shot at winning the stage. Wow...talk about respect from your peers! These guys know that Lance can own the stage any time he pleases.
So the rest of the escape pack wanted a chance to win, so they asked Simeoni to leave knowing that Lance would most likely leave with him. Gotcha. But why would Simeoni leave, just because the other riders asked him to? I guess I find that kinda odd. If I thought I had a chance of winning a stage, I'd go for it, even if my competitors asked me not to.
