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Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Balldon'tlie, Feb 11, 2023.

  1. fchowd0311

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    Points per possession would incorporate ft pts. Ts% accounts for possessions also that a fta takes up with the .44 coefficient in the formula. It's a statistical average therefore ts% works as a good measure of scoring efficiency for large sample.sixes rather than singular games.
     
  2. wekko368

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    It goes more in-depth into the criticism I referenced earlier (the arbitrary 0.44 used in the formula).

    In a nutshell, the impact of free throws are over weighted in the TS% calculation.
     
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  3. fchowd0311

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    It's not arbitrary. It's useful for a large sample size due to how they obtained the number. Not useful for things like singular games.
     
  4. wekko368

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    I suggest you read the article.
     
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    I think what it comes down to is that if you have a player who can't shoot that has nothing in their bag but a quick first step, it's better than nothing if they just bowl into defenders and prey they get bailed out with a whistle.... but that's not exactly the sign of a quality offensive player.

    If that same player is also arguably the worst defensive player in the league..... that's not a guy who belongs on the court much if at all.

    So while the apologists can cheer about FT's, I think we all know they are pulling up wood chips scraping the bottom of the barrel looking for ANYTHING to compliment their guy on.
     
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  6. fchowd0311

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    You tell me.
     
  7. DaDakota

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    Careful you are straying into my lane about how all these FAKE ASSED stats are flawed to begin with because the data input and the weighted algorithms are flawed too.

    You are going to make all the "Algorithm" stans heads explode because they couldn't pass Elementary Analysis in High school.

    DD
     
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    In a nutshell, the impact of free throws are over weighted in the TS% calculation.

    Happy?
     
  9. fchowd0311

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    Okay
     
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    I’ve read through this entire thing and I’m not following what he means when he says what a players TS “should” be. Can you help me with that?

    Regardless, the author is missing the point of TS when he suggest we use points per possession instead. It’s well known that TS is meant to be an estimator for points per possession that can be calculated from the box score, that is its purpose.

    His final conclusion also shows that it’s misrepresenting TS by 0.1% on some players, and others by 0.2%. That’s a pretty good estimation if you ask me, if you’re only going by box score.
     
  11. fattz

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    Under new management hopefully he will play a more complete game.
     
  12. Bobbythegreat

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    I'm hoping competent coaches set him up for more of a bench role till he earns more than that. Some accountability would be a nice change of pace.
     
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  13. King1

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    Lol. DD and Bobby are the two worst evaluators of talent.
     
  14. wekko368

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    I could be wrong, but it looks like the author has mathematically manipulated the traditional TS formula to create a different (but equal) equation using efg%. But when the same data is plugged into both equations, the traditional TS equation gives a higher percentage than the TS equation using efg%.

    It's not 0.1% or 0.2%. In the Westbrook example, it was a 1.84% difference.
     
  15. King1

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    How about they cut KPJ? Nobody except you and fat boy want him. You don't know anything about basketball anyways
     
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    Well, math just isn't many people's thing around here.

    DD
     
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    But TS% is irrelevant because Giddey is higher than Green despite him being nearly a year younger than Green.

    Right?

    Then we switch to counting stats like points...

    Then if that's a problem, we eliminate those higher because of age or some other excuse, right?

    Like maybe we ignore a portion of the season and just focus only on the good games.

    That's how it works, right?
     
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  18. King1

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    What about taking care of yourself and not being a fat slob? You judge others but not yourself
     
  19. fchowd0311

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    Giddey scores a lot less? You think he scales up to Green's attempts and his range of difficulty and off the dribble attempts he would maintain that barely higher ts%. Apparently context is just not a concept you understand,
     
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    He's a more complete player than Green at this point unless you think there is only free throw attempts, points per game, and age as stats in the nba...

    Defense is irrelevant because Jalen isn't good at it...
     

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