Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

When you say "no handle" then you haven't seen young Lavine or young Beal or young Booker or Mathurin or any other young off guard of the past 10 years including Ant as Green has more creative handles at age 20 than any of these guys at age 20

 

If his high end is Beal who at the same age averaged less pts on he same ADJUSTED ts% with a significantly massive difference in unassisted fgm where Green was 60% and Beal at 35% that implies you think Green has character flaws where he won't improve much more because his trajectory is higher than your best case scenario of Beal.

He cleared Clarkson his rookie year who took 9 years in the NBA to match Green's output and efficiency at age 19.

 

Well aren't we all glad you aren't the arbiter of who deserves it.

 

If you squint real hard, these 2 things are almost the same:



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Rk	Player	Season	Age	G	MP	PER	TS%	3PAr	FTr	ORB%	DRB%	TRB%	AST%	STL%	BLK%	TOV%	USG%	OWS	DWS	WS	WS/48	OBPM	DBPM	BPM	VORP
1	Kevin Durant	2008-09	20	74	2885	20.8	.577	.165	.377	3.0	16.4	9.6	13.5	1.7	1.4	12.2	28.3	5.2	2.7	7.9	.132	3.4	-0.1	3.3	3.8
2	Jalen Green	2022-23	20	52	1785	13.8	.534	.430	.319	1.8	11.0	6.5	17.2	1.1	0.7	12.5	28.1	0.3	0.5	0.8	.022	-0.1	-2.6	-2.7	-0.3

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Generated 2/13/2023.

 

It's discouraging to see the lack of progress thus far with Green but it's way too early to write the kid off. Gobs of talent but in dire need of coaching (and maybe not only basketball coaching).

Gratuitous analogy: I used to hate eating steak as a young adult. Then I grew up, learned a few things and realized it wasn't the steak's fault. Sometimes it's not the ingredients that are the problem.

 

Man you are like a right wing edgelord in debate when it comes to basketball. Find selective points, ignore all the others and pretend you won an argument.

 

Your "under 21" qualifier.

It's expected that he should have a lower ftr than Green. Think about it. Green is quicker than Edwards. Therefore, he can get by his primary defender more effectively and then attack the basket. That leads to free throws. Additionally, given Jalen Green's poor shooting from the field, he prefers to attack the rim.

At the same time, since Edwards is an average to above-average shooter, he's fine with taking a jumper.

 

Oh, ok well then why don't you tell me what it would take to convince you that...Kevin Durant...is better than Jalen Green?

 

I mean Edwards is touted as having one of the most explosive first steps in league history hence his number one overall draft selection. He wasn't drafted for being a great shooter. The game that got him the number one overall pick is someone who could beat perimeter defenses easily.

To me a young guard who can beat perimeter defenses easily is more valuable than a young guard who is a more consistent shooter. Because becoming a more consistent shooter is something that a lot more players pick up as they advance in the league unlike beating perimeter defenses. That's a "something you can't teach" trait.

 

Confirming the statement you just quoted. This is equivalent to a right winger edgelord saying "the left thinks non-white people can't be racist".

 

Source?

First of all, just because JG can attack the rim more frequently than Edwards doesn't mean he can do it "easily".

Secondly, being a consistent shooter is a far more valuable ability. It forces defenders to play tighter defense which leads to more defensive breakdowns. It also doesn't rely on the whims of the refs. And most importantly, it offers portability. It's a lot easier to flourish with other stars if you can capitalize on open opportunities.

 

The source is any draft profile of him. His explosion to the rim was a much higher selling point than his jump shot.

And yes Green being able to attack the rim than someone who many scouts claim as having one of the most explosive first steps ever while also built like a tank who can move defenders out the way is impressive.

And you completely ignores my point. I'm talking about progress and growth. There are far more examples of players becoming competent consistent shooters as they gain more reps and experience than there are players who substantially improve their ability to beat perimeter defenses. Because the later is more of a innate talent and the later is a more of a skill that can be honed through immense reps and experience.

 

KD Rookie Year! I remember it and just looked at the numbers.

It was quite different than Green, KD couldn’t make shots, but there was no doubt in my mind he’d be a superstar. 7ft with fluidity and skill, looked awesome to me. He could rebound, block shots, and get his shot off against anyone, but was just not making them at a high rate. On 3pt specifically: 28% vs JG at 34%, that would pull the average scoring efficiency up in JG’s favor. However, KD was 80%+ from the line with very nice mechanics, so it was obvious it was just a matter of time.

Point to note: since you say that 18-21 yrs of age is time of steepest development (which may be true), KD was 18 when drafted and played entire rookie year at 19, i.e. he was 7 1/2 months younger than Green when he entered the NBA. Starting with his year 2, when he was 20, there were no l9nger any questions about him…

But yeah, in his rookie year he was not making shots, he did get some heat about it IIRC. The rest of the package was there. With Green the package is still a bit fuzzy.

 

https://www.nbadraft.net/players/anthony-edwards/

There's a draft profile of him. Nowhere does it indicate that he has one of the most explosive first steps ever.

What it does say is "has a quick first step."

There are also plenty of players who didn't become competent consistent shooters. And yes, it's hard to substantially improve one's ability to beat perimeter defenses. That's why so many shooting guards develop post games.

But again, the better you are at shooting, the more the defense has to respect your shot. And that means they'll guard you tighter which should allow you to get by them easier.

 

Look man if you think one of Ant's biggest selling points was explosion to the rim then I don't know what to say.

 

I'm simply asking you to provide a source for your assertions.

 

I know exactly what Green's issue is this year.

Jabari.

He's threatened by him coming in and taking his role as the "Leader" of this team. He's got him and his Alpha attitude in the back of his head and it's causing him to lose focus and second guess himself.

Who says no.

 

What was Ant's selling point to be a number one overall pick? His finesse handles and LaMelo like skills and Dirk like shooting touch? Or near unprecedented explosion packed in a 225 lb tank of a frame?

 

He is too far gone - he believes Green is gonna be the DUDE.....

He is a Green Stan.

DD

 

That was the point... i was mocking the very narrowly defined field needed to make Green's performance look good.

Reality is his scoring is tied to him being on a tanking team and being encouraged to hoist as much as he wants.

Look at the minutes and fga attempts of most 20 year olds.

It's quantity with Green at the expense of quality...