Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

I'm calling BS on that one...

21.8 points per game

Luka age 20: 28.8 points
Booker age 20: 22.1 points
Kyrie age 20: 22.5 points

There are a lot of other guys like ANT and Tyreke Evans who he still may finish behind since it's not a full season...

You are also ignoring recency bias because most of the nba history guys weren't drafted before 21.

You're not factoring in minutes or shot attempts.

How many 20 year olds lead their teams in fgas?

It hasn't led to winning...

 

Being 4th worst is somehow good? Because he does it a lot or something?

 

If you can do the same stupid game with legends like Durant and Kobe when they were 19-20, then it's meaningless.

 

Big news folks - archetype theory has taken a new leap, it's now Kevin Durant.

 

Durant had a 96 ts+ his rookie year. Prototypical high volume lottery pick with the greenist of lights on a scrub team right?

 

He's also the top scoring player among guards under 21 but older than 19 who take fewer than 25 shots on the second night of a back to back while playing at home....

Am I right?

 

Yawn…. Dumb thread.

Might as well make a Jabari thread seeing what we can get for him since his rookie season has been so disappointing.

Green has issues but pretty much the entire roster has issues. I just don’t think this is the season to start wondering these sort of things.

 

What?

 

So like 1 shot a game?

 

It means exactly what I think it means.....that you're "ppg under age 21" talking point is nonsense since there are so few players who have Jalen Green's green light. If Anthony Edwards had JG's green light, he'd have many more points.

In any case, ts% is an overrated metric and shouldn't be used as the end-be-all for efficiency. A player's ability to make baskets is more important than you want to admit. That's why you keep ignoring their efg% (48.4% for JG this year and 52.7% for Edwards last year).

 

He's having fun with the qualifiers you've used to prop up Jalen Green on your list.

 

And in his second year, Durant improved his efg% tremendously.

This is Jalen Green's 2nd year. Remind me, has his efg% gone up or down since his rookie year?

 

Actually given Ant's build, him having a lower ftr than Green is kinda sad. I would think someone of his build would bully ball a lot more and generate a lot more fouls calls.


To me a young player breaking perimeter defenses and getting to the line shows more long term ability to be efficient than good shooting. Good shooting can be lost for a season as shooters especially the streaky ones like Ant can have a really down year shooting wise. Ability to get to the line is a far more consistent thing. It's more likely Green will improve as a shooter than Ant improve getting to the paint area and drawing contact.

 

because you sarcastically pointed to some marquee players on orlando magic...as if there's no chance they should be sent to g league

besides jalen is not struggling he is being dumb and lazy...struggling is when you work and give effort but shots dont fall or things not going your way...he just doesn't care and takes all kind of toughest and most stupid shots harming his team and teammates.. and this was his MO for 2 years now

what you call being patient i called defeatism and lazyness...you can be patient for 100 years with these rockets and still get nowhere

besides if rockets wanted to be patient they wouldn't be tanking...

patience is taking any player from first round and developing him into a superstar this is the true patience

THIS IS THE TRUE PROCESS

YOU CANT TANK or root for a tanking team AND THEN TEACH ANTI TANK PEOPLE ABOUT BEING PATIENT

tanking to draft Jalen Green then teaching him all kinds of bad habits and holding back and ruining other players like Sengun, Tari, Tate just to make Jalen shine, is not patience its negligence....

 

no keep silas forever...etch him onto rockets logo LOL

 

Is one year a pattern? Young KD was also getting most of his buckets from assists like Green.

Obviously I don't think Green is going to be KD level. I'm just showing you that someone who is considered one of the top 4 best scorers in league history had a below average efficiency season when he was 19. Do I think Green is going to be a top 5 scorer of all time? My point bringing up Durant is that the best of the best of all time when they join the league at 19 struggle to score efficiently unless they are Lebron or Luka.

 

Man, getting caught up in difference of a couple points of TS%, or age 21 vs. age 22, or 10% differences in % FG unassisted is missing the forest for the trees. And someone can always disagree over comparison methods or make arguments over context etc. etc.

If Ant had Jalen's other traits (small body, permanent defensive target, no handle, inconsistent effort) I'd be happy to sell high on him too. Doesn't matter if you score 22 on 53% TS or 25 on 55% TS in year 2.

If scoring is all you give, you're not generational at it, and you're way behind or physically unequipped at literally everything else -- it's just super unlikely you will be a top 20ish player. A player good enough to be a top 2 guy on a contender. Doesn't mean you'll be bad - just that your range is like low end Jordan Clarkson, mid range Tyler Herro, absolute top end Brad Beal.

If we have a young player on that path, and we can cash him in for someone with actual elite potential, we should do it. If we can't, sure keep him to move him on later. But this organization's goal is to get top 20 players so we can contend, not to see out 7 years of Jalen Green's career as a 28 ppg gunner on a max contract with no defense, playmaking, or ball handling who makes a couple all-star teams.

 

What qualifier am I using? I don't think he even knows what ts+ is. It's a stat I'm using because the Green detractors are bringing up "era". Because if I just used regular ts%, Green had a substantial more efficient rookie year than Durant. My qualifier of ts+ benefits the player who isn't Green.

 

Next year we are going to be forced into a decision on his extension - or letting him become a restricted Free Agent.

You know how teams stay bad? They give max deals to players that don't deserve it.

DD