Its time to discuss trading Jalen Green while he's still worth a damn

OK so he's a problem in a 5th of his games and good the rest of the time? That's literally the percentage of his games he scores less than 15 points. So again, seems like a mountain out of a molehill all the b****ing. Especially when very few people are b****ing about Jabari who ACTUALLY has the issue you are all trying to attribute to Jalen...

 

I don't even know what you're talking about - but Beal looks like he started out as a lousy 2point shooter & elite 3 point shooter - albeit in a less offensively biased era.

Green is thus far pretty mediocre at both. And remember, that's who is actually relevant here, not the 2012-13 Washington Wizards and the sacred archetypes.

 

If he's pretty mediocre at both why are their ADJUSTED ts% similar while Green does it on higher volume and almost twice as many self created makes shot profile?

You keep referencing era so that's why I keep on referencing adjusted. And it's still similar with again Green doing it on higher volume(scalability isn't linear) and 60 vs 35% unassisted fgm rate.

 

Sure, my guess is because their shot diet is different. Green takes a much higher volume of 3 point shots and gets to the line more, in a more offensive heavy era.

But anyway, you're just explaining why the sacred archetypes don't really hold up. They don't! I agree with you!

Jalen the "self creator" seems to be on a totally different track than Beal, one that IMO seems not as good.

 

"adjusted"

 

There are some, but most were scoring guards.

Not sure what it matters that much if you're not efficient at scoring yourself...

 

He has the third highest ppg for a guard under 21 in league history. If he did that efficiently then he would be the next KD. Actually KD had below average scoring efficiency when he entered the league also. 96 ts+.

 

Here's one lol
https://www.nbadraft.net/nba-mock-drafts/consensus/
Joel Embiid (who to me is the 3rd best prospect after lebron and luca) was a generational talent who was passed on because of injury. There's lots of reasons beyond basketball that teams use to make their selections. Suns wanted the local guy, kings GM wasn't drafting luca for personal/political reasons. They're not perfect

 

He scores 4 more points than FGs attempted. That's good basic progression for a 2nd year guard. (Steph even) Getting to the line is an art.
I had Jalen scoring 22 pts on 17 FGs in the predict Green's scoring thread @ the beginning of the year.

Better shot selection and more offseason work should get him to 25 pts on 18 fgs next year and that would be near Harden's 1st year here territory while being 2 years younger.

Defensively, everyone would like to see some effort there. This has been the only part I've been down on Green.

 

That "under 21" qualifier excludes most score-first guards who were high draft picks and given a green light....not to mention that he's playing in an offensively friendly era.

Wade was 22 in his rookie year. Iverson 21. Ray Allen 21. Which noteworthy players is Jalen Green beating?

 

Thanks more making what Green does even more impressive. These guys you listed did what they did their first couple of years with their fully developed bodies and multiple years of development in college.

There is no "fluke" player in the top 5. It's guys like Luka, Ant abd Kyrie.

 

None of those guys came into the league with their bodies fully developed. That's just an ignorant take.

So Jalen Green has a higher ppg than Luka, a scoring playmaker? Ok, that's an irrelevant comparison. Anthony Edwards? Who played along prominent scorers in Towns and Russell? Looks like another irrelevant comparison.

Jalen Green doesn't have a higher ppg than Kyrie did at age 20.

 

Wait having competent players around Ant is a positive for Ant compared to Green?

Worse players, worse team means worse pg play, worse spacing, worse coaching. How is that conducive to more efficient scoring?

Ant and Green have pretty much the exact same ts% before they hit 21 on similar volume and similar unassisted fgm rate with Green doing it on worse spacing and pg play.

 

Oh I'm sorry "not fully developed" but obviously significantly more developed than a 19 year old joining the NBA.

 

You tell me who is one...

Curry
Hield
Huerter
KCP
Haliburton
Mitchell
Irving
Doncic
Russell
Lillard
Grimes
Simmons
Bullock
Hart
J Brown
Dinwiddie
Lavine
Fox
Harden
Garland
Tatum
Murray
SGA
Thompson
Edwards
Trent
Jrue
Brunson
Gordon
Herro
Derozan
Maxey
Clarkson
Giddey
Poole
Murray
Hunter
Smart
McCollum
Morant
KPJ
Keldon
Paul
Lowry
Dort
Hardaway
Vanvleet
Schroder
Barrett
Trae
Oubre
Rozier

 

Only 3 worse:

LeVert
Ivey
D Brooks

Three worse in the whole nba...

 

Ya I see a wide range of experience, roles etc.

Know that guys like Ant, Kobe, DURANT, Booker etc you could have made a similar list when they were 19-20 years of age of players at their position who are more efficient at least efg% wise.

 

And?

 

You don't care about "more efficient scoring." That's why you keep parroting that "ppg under 21 years old" talking point.

Having better teammates means having fewer shots which means Edwards didn't have the green light that Jalen Green does.

Last year, Edwards averaged 17 FGA and 4 FTA. Towns averaged 16 FGA and 6 FTA. Russell averaged 15 FGA and 4 FTA.

Now compare it to Jalen Green. Jalen Green averages 18 FGA and 6 FGA. KPJ averages 15 FGA and 5 FGA, but he's missed 30% of the season. After him, no one else averages over 11 FGA.

 

I think this means less than you think it does.

If Edwards fg attempts were restricted due to superior personal and THAT is the reason why they had such similar ppg before 21, that would be reflected in Edwards having a considerably higher ts% as it would indicate he has headroom to take more shots like Green and match his ts%. But they have nearly the exact same ts% before turning 21. In fact Green is .1% higher.

Any claim of scalability being the reason for Edwards and Green having similar production is eliminated when they have the same ts%.

I don't know if I worded it right but do you understand my point here?