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Biden is no joke; will vote for him again

Discussion in 'BBS Hangout: Debate & Discussion' started by KingCheetah, Jul 2, 2021.

  1. KingCheetah

    KingCheetah Contributing Member

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    Is Biden on CIA performance enhancing drugs?

    [DIVOT]
     
  2. Zboy

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    Biden cheated.

    No way an 80 year old geriatric does what he did without ChatGPT.
     
  3. Andre0087

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    lol...get used to it. Arguing with a libertarian is like hitting your head against the wall without success...
     
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    Direct transfers of money only started in the 1930s but free (or near free) transfers of land (and mules in the case of Reconstruction) by the Federal Government has been a part of the US since the Northwest Ordinance in 1787. Those are examples of broader application of "general welfare" beyond the military or infrastructure spending.
     
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    ORLY? Then why this?

     
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    Why do we want foreigners who aren't vaxed? Right Wingers are magically super pro immigration now? We should only be accepting the best folks into the country anyways for visitor visas. What's the big deal I don't get
     
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    I thought you are all over Covid except a few right wingers?
     
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    StupidMoniker I lost a bet

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    So your argument is that this is they way things are now? Great. Very convincing. Much success.
    So the government used to give people land in the case of western expansion and mules as reparations for slavery (wait a minute, don't people say there have neverbeen reperations for slavery?), and that is your argument that promote the general welfare means take money (taxes) from some people and give it to others? I don't think history supports that narrative, but whatever gets you through the day,
     
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    In the 19th and early 20th Century the US did maintain poor house and work houses that housed and fed indigent people including widows and orphans at taxpayers expense.

    Conditions in them were generally bad and there was a stigma around them but it did show that even prior to the 1930’s “general welfare”’did mean what we consider it to mean as using government resources to provide some care to the most vulnerable.
     
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    Amiga 10 years ago...
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    I'm not sure if Biden's actions are part of a calculated strategy or if he is simply adapting to changing circumstances on the fly. I lean towards the latter. Either way, it's impressive to be well prepared if it's the former. If it's the latter, it's quite impressive for an 80-year-old to be so agile.
     
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    Those are transfers of wealth from the federal government to citizenry. The motive for why they did it is irrelevant. You're making a false distinction that transfers of money are somehow different from historical transfers by the US government to citizens. The original implementation of social welfare (beyond land transfers) originates in the form of direct payments and pensions to Civil War veterans. You'll probably make some quip that pensions for veterans don't count but those were literally financial transfers from the federal government to US citizens. Also traditional welfare's origins (the variety that existed before the 90s welfare reform) actually pre-dates the New Deal era. There were payments to widowed mothers as far back as the mid to late 1800s. Workers compensation (another government to citizen financial transfer) also predates the New Deal.

    Yes, the US has far fewer social welfare programs in the 18th and 19th century but the idea that the US did nothing until FDR became president isn't true either.
     
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    Yes the idea of social welfare in the US comes from the English tradition and goes all the way back to Roman times. There were already poor houses in the Americas preceding even the founding of the country. The Founders certainly knew of them and very likely understood that "general welfare" would include things like that.
     
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    The whitehouse said they purposely made the first 15 min about bipartisan and getting along. They knew the gop would interrupt and be chaos agents after a short while which would then look good on the president after he just touted bipartisan.

    They played the gop and they fell into their hands and were exposed as frauds and loudmouth morons.
     
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    Not interested in the argument on libertarianism, but can't let this aside go by without comment. There has never been reparations for slavery. General Sherman had issued orders divvying up abandoned plantations to former slaves and had also given some surplus army mules to some black farmers. Some thought it could be a model for rebuilding the South. But, 3 months later, President Johnson ordered the plantations returned to the original owners and the former slaves who had received acreage were evicted. I don't know if they got to keep the mules or not. As important as a mule was to farming, it's pretty thin compensation for generations of enslavement.
     
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    4D Chess.
     
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    We've had close to 300b of manufacturering announcements in just less than a year. People don't have any idea how quick the change is happening. We've had more battery announcements for manufacturing in the past year than we had in the history of america.

    We're going be a manufacturering powerhouse again.
     
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    there's literally zero percent chance of Congress passing a "national abortion ban" so not sure what this is about

     
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    This triggers you the most doesn't it? Seeing white men going away in the judical branch is a nightmare for Republicans.
     
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    literally what the ****
     
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    The roots of the federalist society is to rig the judical branch towards white conservatives. Do some reading.
     

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