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In DEFENSE of Alperen Sengun - Analysis on why Sengun may already be an above average defender

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by Medicine N Music, Feb 7, 2023.

  1. AroundTheWorld

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    No, because nobody was guarding the 3-point line (as always).
     
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  2. SamFisher

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    Doesn't defensive RAPTOR have some weird quirks - like according to it, Jokic is not only the best offensive player in the NBA, but he's a top 2 or 3 defender as well the last few years, as good or better than peak DPOY Gobert.

    I haven't dived into why it is, but it seems like having no depth gives Jokic an extra boost.
     
  3. Dobbizzle

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    Don't be silly, didn't you know that Sengun's a better defender than prime Dwight Howard and has a higher ceiling than Lebron? It's all Silas, Green, KPJ, Stone, Tilman, Harden, Morey, Jackanory, the president, the Queen of Sheba and God's fault that Sengun looks terrible on defense a lot of the time...:rolleyes:
     
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  5. AroundTheWorld

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    Let me ask you a question - who do you think is the most impactful defender on this Rockets team right now?

    What do you think about Jalen Green's defense?
     
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    alperen sengun is the franchise player buddy deal with it!
    and dont forget to take the 7th booster shot!
     
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  7. Ankara1923

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    1. Sengun's height is 6'10.5". It is up to you to believe either 6'10" or 6'11" but if anyone quote 6'9" should go to vision express for eye-check.Franz Wagner is 6'10", no one discusses.Alp is taller than him. When Alp and Bruno hugs each other, you see the height difference.

    2.Alp is a team-defence type of player. Three non-defending guards system is not suitable to his playing style. What you expect him? Defend centers, defend power forwards and defend 3 point shoting guards?

    3.In recent games his effort for defending and assisting was not good as should be. It is certain that he is frustrated. Still he puts all of his counterparts to foul problem (Precious, Domantis,...)

    4.He played against to all-star last night. Sabonis had 17p/7r/10 assists and Sengun had 15p/7r/7 assists. Very similar numbers. Sabonis had higher assists number because of decent 3pt shooters, Alpi had lower because of bricklayers.

    5.Similar to 3 non-defending guards, Jabari also does not help. He was supposed to be a defensive star but he isn't. That is the reason Alp operates better with Tari. The boy hustles at least.

    6.Alp was described as "poor man's Draymond". GSW is the most valuable team in NBA at the moment and certainly has more value than Rockets . What else you expected? When Rockets catch GSW, it may get Draymond.

    Final say: Alp is a good defender in a defending team and average defender in Rockets. Why? Because the team is one of the worst (if not the worst) in whole NBA history.
     
  8. RHU525

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    I don't think he's bad I think the scheme the rockets are using is really dumb. What is this drop coverage bs? We were not doing this in the beginning of the season. Why are we giving up wide open threes. Make them drive to paint. Every can tell it's not gonna work and we need to change this defense. I'd rather Sengun be on an island trying to guard a guard than watching teams shoot wide open threes left and right cuz we aren't fighting through screens.
     
  9. Ankara1923

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    Beginning of the season Alp was trying to defend guards but as having no help in paint the opposing centers were having monster nights. Lots of posters were quoting "every center will cook us" type of posts here. Alp realized the situation, altered his game and primarily defended his own man. Then, opposing centers' productivity were limited except true stars (Jokic, Embiid) but guards started to bulldoze us.

    We are in the same trap, discussing Alp's defence here instead of our own guards/combo guards' disgusting defence. Waste of time.
     
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  10. Good Times

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    Defensively I think Sengun is forced to cover for the rest of the teams lack of defense which causes him to look much worst than he is. So many times he switches off his man to help only to see his player wide open under the rim - and to top it off his teammates looks at him as if he missed his assignment. It just seems everyone else gets away with not playing defense except for Sengun who is trying.

    I actually thought Smith would be a huge help for Sengun when we drafted him but that’s not the case. Smith is a good one-on-one defender and does help out in the perimeter but does little to switch coverage inside. Most of his blocks come from blocking guards where he can use his length. Tari on the other hand does much better inside using his body despite being much smaller and is quick to switch off. I think the weakest position in the starting line is the PF spot right now, we’re not getting enough defense or offense there.
     
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    Probably Eason, he's certainly the most disruptive. And Green's defense is piss poor, partially through lack of defensive awareness off-ball, where he often gets caught ball watching and either over-helps or loses his man, partially through lack of effort on ball because he's shown a bit of promise there when he actually gives a ****.

    edit: Question for you in return: Why do you feel the need to perpetually quote every single post that criticises Sengun like he's the second coming when he has clear deficiencies?
     
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    There are no publicly available stats that objectively measure individual defense. Defense is mostly played on a team level, not an individual level. This is especially true in this so-called positionless era.

    I am generally skeptical when someone uses numbers to show how good or how bad a player is defensively. The eye test is pretty much what is left for us fans.
     
  13. maj21

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    Damn!! Straight facts lol
     
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    You must of not watched Dwight in the Orlando days. He was a legit monster on the defensive end.
     
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    Y’all need to cut the bs. Sengun is awful on D. He’s the main reason why we get killed from 3 bc he can’t put pressure on PnR. Dude also can’t protect the rim and let guards get layups on him all game. Keep fooling yourselves
     
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    Right. And this particular play that the other post referred to was even mentioned by the broadcast analyst. Sengun could not switch from Sabonis because Sabonis would almost always roll to the basket unguarded if Sengun switched, and the Rocket originally guarding the three-point shooter does not body Sabonis to stop him from rolling should Sengun switch. Moreover, the responsible Rocket defender does not even make the effort to fight over the Sabonis screen but just gives up and looks around. Sengun is, obviously, still learning how to play defense but he is made to defend multiple opponents due to the ineptness and lack of effort in defense by the guards. I am talking about you Jalen Green. In the final analysis, it's the coach's job to teach the young players how to play defense and drill them over and over again until they internalize the fundamentals of individual and team defense. The coach, Silas, should also hold players accountable if they don't put maximum effort into defense. He should not coddle any player regardless of their draft position. This last point is the main problem among a myriad of problems with the team.
     
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  18. CircaSurvive

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    Because of obsessed haters like you LOL
     
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    I cant w8 till Sengun sign somewhere else or get traded and play with a teamplayer squad not big wgi hero ball green, kpj or smith and a real NBA Coach Sengun is an all star player and top 20 in the future this stupid Rockets franchise dont deserve him
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    Then you have about 3-4 years for that to happen, buckle up buttercup.....it is gonna be a bumpy ride.

    DD
     

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