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KPJ: Can someone explain to me why he has become Clutchfans favorite whipping boy?

Discussion in 'Houston Rockets: Game Action & Roster Moves' started by DasouthDakota, Oct 25, 2022.

  1. DaDakota

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    This is a flat out lie.

    Lebron has called out his quality, Kevin Love, Damien Lillard....tons of people love his talent....let's not make **** up like you just did because you don't like him.

    No one EVER has said he was a bad teamate or they don't want to play with him....

    DD
     
  2. Hank McDowell

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    It’s like they told him sink or swim. I don’t like him as a full time point guard, but I don’t mind him playing there some. I think he can play it occasionally if needed, but keeping him there doesn’t really feel like the long term answer.
     
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  3. Bobbythegreat

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    No one would be whining about KPJ if Jalen Green and Jabari Smith weren't terrible.

    If those two were even halfway competent, the Rockets are in the hunt for a play in game.
     
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    I see the 3 Stooges vs Beavis n Butthead is still in full force effect, the team sucks because of their two lottery picks in year two of a full blown rebuild which is pure comedy, and nobody cares about the so called two best players on any team going for third straight worst record, unless its your team and those henny'ed up trying to prop up Larry or Curly over Butthead to prove much of nothing
     
  5. DaDakota

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    Exactly if Green and Jabari could shoot LEAGUE average KPJ would have 7 + assists per game and the team would be winning a lot more often.

    DD
     
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    The 6 KPJ fans on CF blame everyone but KPJ himself for his trash play, blame Jalen and Jabari for KPJ being bad. Yet we have Alperen who is averaging well over 7 assists a game since KPJ went out, on elite efficiency while constantly commanding double teams. What's the deal? I thought some of our trash players are so bad that it brings everybody down? Why are Jalen and Jabari getting career highs with Alperen commanding the offense and not KPJ? Why is that?

    Again, even if KPJ were halfway decent, a lot of us on here would still have him as our favorite whipping boy because of his **** attitude and immaturity. It is more than just him being in trash-tier efficiency as an NBA player - he's also an aggressive, malignant cancer and destroys team culture.
     
  8. DaDakota

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    Lets look at it for reals.

    Last 8 games for Alpi - No KPJ

    Alpi has had 8 games played without KPJ and had 56 Assists during those games for an average of 7 assists per game. During that time he had 31 turnovers or 3.9 turnovers per game.

    Assist to Turnover ratio for Alpi is 1.81

    KPJ's last 8 full games as PG

    KPJ's last 8 games he had 51 Assists for 6.4 a game, and 23 turnovers for 2.875 turnovers per game.

    Assist to Turnover ratio for KPJ is 2.2


    Alpi has more turnovers than KPJ - their Assist to Turnover percentages sku heavily towards KPJ - yet one is terrible as a hub and the other is great....this is the kind of DUMBASS narratives that go on around here.

    MYTH BUSTED !

    And if we can play them together, we are a BETTER TEAM - overall......stop ****ing pitting our players against each other when they are the two best players on the team.

    Our top draft picks right now are playing like hot molten ass.......Sengun and Porter are the only one's playing well....

    DD
     
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  9. DatRocketFan

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    It's all about context. This sengun doing it in his first 8 games.
    Who knows how much better sengun can b if he's doing it longer. All I know is folks are hitting career highs and the offense is flowin better without the head honcho. Something to celebrate about amongst all the Ls.
     
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    And the flip side is if the best player(on any team) would drop 40+ every few games it would compensate for those who can't make shots and the team would be better off for it, especially since said best players have shown they are capable of doing just that

    I mean it is a team game, just speaking from experience and being a fly on the wall, its been plenty of greats who don't shoot league avg off top and its been plenty of teams relying on first and second yr players tasked with leading a franchise thru a rebuild who have to go thru the stages of coming of age

    So its up to the more seasoned better players to shoulder a heavier load if they are capable, if players boxed out better they could grab rebounds like Rodman

    If only Green would play like his stats during wins and if Smith played like he did against the Kings the Rockets would be better off

    If KPJ channels his inner Bucks 50pt game(or similar) the Rockets would be better off right now

    If ''If'' was a fifth of Hennessy we would all be drunk joyfully, that elusive ''If'' is a motherfreaker
     
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    His assist to turnover ratio in last 10 games which basically the only games he played as primary playmaker is much better than KPJ's despite his high turnover numbers. And i think you're well aware of that. You're just trying to fool people with your meaningless stats without context. Context matters.

    KPJ as primary playmaker, 34 MPG 5.6 AST, 3.6 TO
    Alperen as a primary playmaker, 33.7 MPG 6.8 AST, 3.8 TO

    Imagine having to defend 22 yo, 4th year point guard/primary playmaker who's supposedly generate tons of open shots have lower assist numbers and lower ast/to ratio than 20 yo, 2nd year center.
     
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    LMFAO. May i ask why did you reference KPJ's last 8 games' stats while he's playing at point guard as a primary playmaker for more than 1 and a half season?
     
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    DD (have this loser on ignore) also referenced Alpi's last 8 games because if he did his last 9 games, then Alpi's number would be higher than KPJ lol. Took out Alpi's 10 AST: 2 TO game just to prove some false narrative that KPJ is a better playmaker. LOL what a ****in moron
     
  14. clutchdabear

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    Alperen in his last 9 games: 66 asts; 33 tos. Ast/TO ratio of 2.

    9 games is how we should be looking at it bc it's when Alperen became the primary playmaker with KPJ out, not 8 games ago like some idiot on here said, only to embellish his own narrative. Even with 8 games, it's still higher than KPJ as a primary playmaker this season. I'm sure with more games under his belt (and even without a system designed for him), Alpi would have an even higher A/T ratio as the season goes along.

    KPJ as primary playmaker this season: A/T ratio of 1.55

    We can play this game and try to handpick certain stretches of games just to make the stats look better. You're only going to make yourself look more like a clown though as the season drags along and it becomes clear that stats not only back up the eye test. Everyone around NBA circles knows that Alpi is a better playmaker than KPJ except for KPJ's 6 superfans and Stone/Silas.

    On top of the playmaking, you have Alperen with a true shooting% well above league average and in elite efficiency, unlike our whipping boy hero KPJ. And this isn't even discussing how our team's offensive rating, pace, and number of passes/game has improved a ton with Alpi as the hub, while with KPJ we were ranked dead last in almost all of these categories.
     
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    Porter is too stupid and selfish to succeed at pg. Sengun often makes the right play and delivers the right pass in the right spot.

    Porter is too conflicted with being selfish vs trying to be pg. Too worried about getting his shot allocation. Delivers a poor placed ball more often than not. He will be a more than competent Crawford somewhere in between soup slings. Turns ball over=limp and whine errrr time.

    Both Green and Smith need a vet pg who is geared more toward passing.
     
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    Another round of ‘if you look at only to the games where kpj is good, then he is good’ argument from kpj stans. Never gets old.
     
  18. Bobbythegreat

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    If you look at every game, he's objectively the second best player on the roster. All of the moronic screeching about him doesn't change that.
     
  19. DaDakota

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    for an apples to apples comparison, and to show his improvement.

    Alpi has played 8 games as the primary hub, and wanted to compare it to the last 8 games they played together.....now the real data would be what were they in the games together.

    BTW - I don't have an issue with Alpi's turnoveres or KPJs as they learn - but I DESPISE IGNORANT narratives.

    DD
     
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  20. DaDakota

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    nothing about Alperuns horrid turnover rate as primary hub?

    DD
     

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