I'm not against your idea here but the idea that you can just save your cap space for the next 3 years is just not possible when you have your own FA's coming up for big extensions - unless you let them walk and that likely means they were busts. Stone has a two year window to work with on cap space, after that, Green & Sengun are on the books for big money and any cap space he didn't use is now gone or eaten into by cap holds or their extensions. Green's cap hold after the 2024/25 season will be $31,207,620 & Sengun's $16,273,962 and there went $47,481,582 of your cap space on cap holds for your own FA's and that doesn't factor in Garuba ($13,177,545) or MVP Josh Christopher ($13,039,845) into the equation (@Williamson) bringing the total in cap holds to $73,698,972. Stone has the coming offseason and the one after 2023-24 season to make his big FA or trade acquisitions into cap space, after that the rules of the game change. If they punt on Green & Sengun, they have Jabari & Tari coming up the following year .... $30,875,980 & $17,027,298. Can't just keep kicking the can down the road ....
I don't think we can call anyone on this roster untouchable. Sengun is awesome offensively, but Siakim is other worldly on both sides of the ball.
Big supporter of Hart on this team. I like the Caruso and Rose suggestions as well. Not completely opposed to FVV depending on how the draft goes.
100% this. Especially the part about MVP Josh Christopher. But yeah. You really have to use that cap space and get guys that, at the least, are valuable trade assets that allow you to be flexible if you need to move things around. I would love for them to pick up valuable wings, because they tend to be the thing everybody in the league always needs. But I wouldn't be mad at Myles Turner. He's good enough he can be moved if need be.
We have too many chefs in the kitchen with the roster and that's without potentially adding a blue chip FRP and a late FRP next season. We need to prune the roster while trying to balance going for a top pick and player development. Assuming the Wizards and Kuzma aren't going to come to an agreement as Kuzma will most certainly opt out of his $13 mil player option.... I think there will be some interest for trading for him and agreeing to a new deal. Houston trades KPJ + Tate + J Christopher/Garuba for Kuzma Houston trades EG + J Christopher/Garuba + 2023 Mil pick for Fournier + Reddish + 2025 Knicks FRP (better of Knick or Mil) Off the bat this forces the 2022 squad and beyond to play a different style of offense without KPJ. I think Kuzma is a swiss army knife at a premium position where he does a lot of things competently and good but nothing great. This trade helps prune the roster, shakes up the offense, and doesn't use too much cap space. Although we will need to sign Kuzma to a new deal with this move, we would be swapping out ~$26 mil of KPJ + Tate in 2023 for Kuzma's future contract. Lastly, in the Fournier trade we get a contract with one year remaining beyond this season and a competent, one dimensional shooter for the bench along with swapping a 2023 FRP for a 2025 FRP. We would head into the 2023 draft/offseason with all of our highest assets intact and significant cap space still available to potentially go after Harden (still iffy but I have an open mind), and/or sign some role players with cap space and/or make a trade for Siakam or above level player. We would be heading into the offseason with: Green Jabari 2023 FRP Kuzma Sengun Tari Kenyon Fournier TyTy Bruno Garrison Nix
Realistically does Indy say no to EG, KJ, Garuba, the Milwaukee pick, and two 2nds for Turner if they know he’s going to bolt in the offseason? Does another team offer more?
Dont do anything until the lottery. If we get pick 1, trade literally anyone that has any currency, sign Harden and build around Wemby. This team is beyond redemption.
It's better to trade prospects that are not stars than to lose that cap space. If we're reaching a point where everyone is up for extension and it's going to eat up our cap space, trade them for picks. Until our own picks form a contender core, we should not spend max FA money on 2nd and 3rd tier FA's. Only top tier FA's. I know that we should sign an FA before our own players extensions come up because we can exceed the cap with them. Every rebuilding team has come to that point and 99% of the time they **** it up with a Porzingis or Randle or some player who you can clearly tell won't earn their contract and will keep the time just competitive enough to possibly make the conference finals but practically no chance at a title. That's purgatory. It's better to keep tanking than to get into that situation, because in that situation you will need another 3-4 years to rebuild. Look at how the Warriors acquired Durant. That's the best model. You only retain assets that are worth their contract and you go for the big fish. You can also use the cap space to sign role players to short (1-2 years guaranteed), market-value contracts because those assets CAN help you acquire a star or they can get dumped easily for a late first rounder. You can also outright acquire players in trade with those characteristics. There's no instance where acquiring your 3rd and 4th best player at near-max contracts in the new CBA is a good situation EXCEPT if you're already close to winning a title. Those guys (FVV and Turner) will get worse every season as they enter their 30's. Totally against this idea. If we lose the space, we lose the space and can re-tool within 1 or two trade windows. Let's not get stuck again. We've never ever benefitted from signing players that are about to decline or declining. We don't need anyone else other than the prospects on this roster, the picks we own and the NTMLE to build a conference finals team. FVV and Turner were lesser players than nearly all our prospects when they were the same age. If we're signing someone to the max or near max, they have to be more valuable than 2nd or 3rd tier FA's. They have to be worth their salary every season.
Jan 15 means a bunch of players became eligible to be traded Suns Gordon Martin Bucks Crowder Christopher Garuba Rockets Ingles Saric Nwora Beauchamp 2024 lotto protected 1rp from Suns 2024 2rp from Bucks It is about cashing in on Gordon/ Martin (pick from the Suns), and extracting value from the Bucks as part of the deal. They didn't seem to want to part with a FRP earlier in the year (offered 4 2nds) - depends how you value Nwora and Beauchamp - they take the part of the first round pick, and we still scoop up an additional pick for the 2024 "double draft" Perhaps start Ingles, and play him 15mpg this year, he is expiring, and we could facilitate a SnT for him to go to a contender in the off-season (and maybe sneak another 2nd rounder?)
5. Houston Rockets - Ausar Thompson, G/F, Overtime Elite Reapers The other Thompson twin is a damn good prospect in his own right, and could certainly have some teams who prefer him to his brother. While Amen is a superior passer with slightly freakier athletic ability, Ausar Thompson is a better shooter and has a skill set that feels easier to slot into a team structure. Also standing 6’7, Ausar is a lockdown defender with tremendous quick-twitch athleticism who projects into a secondary ball handler and slasher role on offense. While Amen’s shooting is a major question mark, Ausar has shown more development both on spot-up threes and self-created midrange attempts during his two seasons with Overtime Elite. Thompson still struggles from the foul line and will need to continue to prove he’s legit shooter overall and not just in comparison to his brother, but his positional size, defensive upside, tight handle, and ability to play more of an off-ball role on offense should be extremely intriguing to teams picking in the top-10. 26. Houston Rockets (via Bucks) - Emoni Bates, F, Eastern Michigan Bates was being called the next Kevin Durant before he was old enough to get his driver’s license, and has had a star-crossed career ever since. He joined Memphis as a 17-year-old last season, was sidelined with a back injury most of the year, and transferred back home to Eastern Michigan for his sophomore year. Bates has been putting up big numbers for the Eagles all season, and is again reminding scouts that he should get looks in this draft. Listed at 6’10, 170 pounds (he’s likely an inch or two shorter than that), Bates’ appeal is his intersection of size, shooting, and ball handling. Teams will want to see him hit better than the 34.4 percent he’s currently making from deep, but his shot is effortless and he will be able to get it off at high volume. He still has major questions about his frame (he has short arms and is incredibly skinny), playmaking, and defense, but it’s important to remember how young he is for this class. Bates’ story has been a rollercoaster to this point, but there’s still a chance it has a positive ending.
this is a major domino that has fallen; and one less true top-level talent free agent on the market.. I hope the rockets are making smart, pragmatic decisions. There’s not gonna be much out there this offseason.
That is a terrible deal for Turner. Can't believe he took that. Huge hit for the Rockets, we might have to push our cap space to the year after. Next year could be pretty disastrous for the Rockets (especially the fans). Non competitive and no pick.
Pacers's Turner and Mavs Wood extensions would remark how desperate these teams were. Pacers did i, hope Mavs also extends Wood.
We we’re down to guys like Gary Trent Jr, FVV, and Josh Hart with respect to impact FA’s that could fit our window. We better be making some trades or we are gonna suck bad again next year.
He gets two additional years and nearly $60m additional dollars. That’s fair market value. The structure is unorthodox, but allows him to continue the run with the Pacers this year and makes him extremely tradeable thereafter. He should hit free agency again with a significantly higher salary cap.
That model can’t be repeated. There was a massive salary cap jump that summer as the new TV deal started. You might be able to pull off a Heat summer but that relies on the 1st tier FA wanting to play in your city or with the superstar you already have.
Except there is a huge salary cap jump coming. We would totally be able to pull it off, wouldn't matter if it were a slightly smaller swing. Bigger obstacle is: do you really believe Tilman would pony up for Durant if he were the owner of a 2-time champion featuring marketing darling Steph Curry? I don't think so personally.
